Poor Hospital Care and Nursing Homes do. Along with uneducated parents, whether they have biology degrees or not, it is, as Tritorch says, conditioning, because of fear-mongering.
We learned a lot about the Propaganda during Covid.
My DIL still believes it, she has a biology degree, did cancer research for Vanderbilt, then set up labs all over the country. At 60 she now works for herself. Still believes this crap.
“The fact that the Trump administration is now pushing the gain-of-function, lab leak PSYOP is, in my opinion, just further confirmation that his whole administration is a controlled-opposition limited hangout (and I don’t use that term lightly or often).”
Never had MMR jabs, they were not in use in my childhood. Had both types, Mom treated. And my Mom only had an 8th-grade education. Mumps and chickenpox were exposed when we were young. Little brother, well before puberty. I have 1 Smallpox scar, only because the School gave them FREE. We didn't live in a dense population area either.
‘I Just Get So Angry’: Dad of West Texas Child Who Died Talks to CHD.TV
In the months before her death, Daisy was treated at three different Texas hospitals for several illnesses, including mononucleosis, strep, community-acquired pneumonia, measles and hospital-acquired pneumonia.
Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS) called her death the state’s “second measles death.”
However, doctors who analyzed her medical records said the child died from acute respiratory distress “secondary to hospital-acquired pneumonia,” which she likely developed during one of her hospital stays.
Hildebrand said measles was “absolutely not” what caused his daughter’s death. “That’s exactly why I’m doing this interview,” he said, “so hopefully people can understand that.”
Great article! Another reason for the pandemic hoax narrative is to demand the we believe “scientists” have the POWER to ‘create’ biological warfare. Our freedom is now ransomed by our modifying our behavior to cooperate or the next disease will be unleashed.
How tedious. I don't know if viruses exist, but bacteria and fungi do. And people sure seem to catch things from other people. Kids catching stuff from other kids, moms even holding parties so kids can get it over with and have lifetime immunity.
Remember not everyone "catches" a bacteria or fungi even if equally exposed.
If the determining factor were environmental for example - say changes in humidity of the weather, some kids could process this a little earlier than others, making it appear like "spread" when it is merely each body-system uniquely resolving adjustments all body-systems were exposed to.
But we've all been told its contagion, throughout all our lives. I'm sure there is contagion, emotions are very contagious for example. But is it just certain things like TB, and mood/vibe, or an infinity of things like the endless "variants" of whats called Covid? Look it up, you'll be shocked by the lack of evidence though you believe it so strongly.
But that is all speculation. Changes in the humidity did not cause a third of Europe die of the plague. The thing is... terrain makes people resistant to a lot of stuff, but if the onslaught is massive, then many succumb. Cleaning up the towns made a huge difference too. If you live in filth, even strong terrains have a problem. And cleaning up "the germs" made surgeries much much safer -- how do you answer that?
I agree that the contagion meme ought to be pushed against. But speculation is not enough. Cowan's argument is weak.
yet "fact" what you've been told to think about the plague or germ warfare w First Nations people or surgeries becoming "safer"?
Do you actually think one contemporary doc or the recent popularization of the ancient health-concept "terrain" is the sum of all scientific evidence or other pertinent evidence related to the power to declare geopolitical altering "pandemic"??
Have you ever heard of electrical effects on living organisms? Like say powerlines affecting bee navigation or EMFs from your phone affecting tumor growth? Would you declare the information from the industries profiting off these as "fact" and the independent third-party perspective as "all speculation" - I mean if you read something that appealed to human fear and arrogance so subtly, that you could be assured in your mind you are "right" based on your mundane personal observations you use to bolster that impression you gained?
Please look up "amyloid protein" MAINSTREAM research for Alzheimer's - and tell us all what was speculative and what was worth millions of dollars of misdirected "research." Are amyloid proteins a real, observable biological thing?
What I would most strongly recommend for any debator - is going to IPAK or Wellness Health Forum and taking courses to learn scientific literacy for yourself. This might expand your ability to relate everything to your own direct experience of what "seems" factual/historically accurate or merely all-speculative - and most certainly would help you navigate the world of exclusively sanctioned medical "information."
I apologize for my irritated tone. I don't like being pelted with links and more info in the absence of logic. So, here is your chance. I am listening.
Annnnd no response. That pretty much solidifies the point you’re making. Thank you for voicing the other side of the coin and for calling out the condescending tone. It is attitudes like that which don’t allow for deeper conversations and possible unbiased solutions.
I am a sympathetic listener. I hope T'ree has something substantial to offer, with a bit more time. If s/he cannot convince me, well., won't be able to convince those who are not friendly.
I don't like your condescending tone. You seem to think that people who disagree with you are ignorant.
Operations before Lister and after Lister are like night and day. People dying like flies vs very little dying. You tell me it's not true? Would you accept being operated on without the instruments being sterilized?
explain why we reliably produce IgG for specific viral proteins and/ or explain what Giruses are, if they aren't giant viruses, I'd love to hear their response.
If viruses don't exist, how can we eg. use them in lab experiments to immortalise cell lines?
“Where was the measles virus demonstrated to exist directly within the fluids or tissues of a person who is said to be sick with the symptoms known as measles? Was a purified and isolated viral particle shown to be present in the bodily fluids or cells of a sick human being—using direct physical observation, not inference from cytopathic effects or genetic material? Was the virus demonstrated in vivo, in the living human body where it is claimed to operate? Or was its existence inferred from cultured cells under artificial lab conditions?”
I didn't have anything to say about measles.I still don't.
But something does not have to be observed to exist.
Well before bacteria were observed, they were postulated. Their effect could be seen. Experiments could be run on the hypothesis. But they could not be seen or isolated. Yet they existed.
And visual confirmation came later.
I'm not saying this analogue proves viruses exist. I'm just saying that the isolation argument also proves nothing.
It proves a "thing" has not necessarily been isolated but definitely has been adulterated.
If it's true bacteria were postulated and later observed, is it clear that the exact parameters of "effect" (when only postulated) match with the exact functions of what was ultimately observed?
I rather doubt it just because biology is more complex than that. You could say you observe effects of nerves when not observing the effect directly but if you isolated the nerve from the circulatory and muscle systems it is innate to, it's "effects" would constitute a far different parameter. In eality all those systems work together in disease/function, not isolated. Isolated they do not match reality of the complexity of function and could/are easily ;misunderstood as independently determinant.
Obviously, whatever is being characterized as a distinct "virus", represents some type of phenomena or at least a ritual effect.
Then they just keep expanding out the error in the many ways you link to above. Or maybe one of those links is an actual phenomenon, or none of them, or all of them but not a non-living DNA fragment or whatever the working definition of a "virus" is supposed to be. Just because they are intellectually or hypothetically or possibly chronologically/spatially linked, doesn't mean its an actual "thing" that can be or has been actually observed or detected/measured.
See recent omissions that the "amyloid protein" millions of research dollars have been spent on likely doesnt exist. That's mainstream media.
Claims of people being "controlled opposition" are (9 times out of 10) self-harm.
We live in a soup of fragmented information, psyops, bad critical thinking, and just plain limited time or testing equipment.
The rush to call people controlled opposition demoralizes skeptics and lowers camaraderie among good people.
Perhaps the people who call others controlled opposition know this and are themselves controlled opposition ;) (I don't really believe that - they are just trying to figure things out, just like the people who they call controlled opposition)
Lets assume that something like a virus exists, if not completely and fully understood, and that it could be genetically modified by a bunch of highly paid people that spend way too much time alone. Lets say some other, even more pathological people, hire these geniuses to create a weapon that uses these biological "facts" to inflict communicable respiratory disease in people. Then, predicate in your mind further, even more severely pathological people whom make certain that this pretty foolish end-product is ultimately loosed on the public and, just to add intrigue and a sort of reverse-psychology-plausible-ness, that the cover-up of their diabolical plot is very poorly executed, though vehement and insidious nonetheless....
Now, actually consider personally observable reality, lets look at real-life practical reality and just notice that a good modicum of character-resistance to hysteria/terror/propaganda/psychological operations, combined with some super secret but outright cheap zinc supplements , is able to completely thwart this multi-biliion-dollar super ominous high-tech and out-of-control world circulating bioweapon - leaving only sniffles. Or maybe a week or two of miserable bedrest.
"Drat!" right?
The media/propaganda IS the "virus" (the communicable spreading respiratory attack), and the "pandemic" IS the disease (the destructive psychological operation.) The whole double-agent-international-plotting is the technique to get masses to absorb the "reality" that it is even possible to create and deploy this ultimate divide-to-conquer weapon of the masses' destruction.
Not only i s it a great Red Herring but it leaves us helpless to become enemies of each other and dependent upon anonymous beuraucracies that are way way way smarter than anyone you have ever met before, to deploy the only possible solutions and heroic intervention.
So yeah I'll lean to err on the side of [ahem- skeptical, regarding the lifelong indoctrination about invisible disease that has an accuracy anywhere in the realm of what makes/breaks such a story. Especially given the extensive All Cause Mortality data observations that do just not support any of the previously "declared" epi/pandemics. Virus or no virus.
Viruses do not exist.
Poor Hospital Care and Nursing Homes do. Along with uneducated parents, whether they have biology degrees or not, it is, as Tritorch says, conditioning, because of fear-mongering.
We learned a lot about the Propaganda during Covid.
Yeah people w biology degrees were the most susceptible to believing garbage and the least willing to actually look at any actual evidence.
My DIL still believes it, she has a biology degree, did cancer research for Vanderbilt, then set up labs all over the country. At 60 she now works for herself. Still believes this crap.
My cousin, 74, with a biology degree, and a few other “advanced degrees” as well, also still believes this crap.
Measles is not the end of the world. Big pharma drugs and vaccines are.
Extremely accurate.
Ban assault vaccines and automatic EMF ammo!
“The fact that the Trump administration is now pushing the gain-of-function, lab leak PSYOP is, in my opinion, just further confirmation that his whole administration is a controlled-opposition limited hangout (and I don’t use that term lightly or often).”
I agree.
What's that mean, limited hangout?
Arent we all "controlled" in the sense there is only so far each of us will go in our opposition?
Then why are the areas reporting Measles are, those with heavy illegal aliens living there?
Measles cases surpass 700 with outbreaks in six states
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/04/17/measles-cases-surpass-700-with-outbreaks-in-six-states/?lctg=444775E264758495A4AE120DA1&utm_email=444775E264758495A4AE120DA1&active=no&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chicagotribune.com%2F2025%2F04%2F17%2Fmeasles-cases-surpass-700-with-outbreaks-in-six-states%2F&utm_campaign=trib-chicago_tribune-daywatch-nl&utm_content=curated&fbclid=IwY2xjawJ0fNtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETF3aDg2YU12ODQxam94cERUAR6_1PFpGqrcT3iGrn8OE0NYJ8h4bKw9CStuheZMjnb45GQJO-iFxtAmQKG8Qg_aem_RVrUmkIOj6bTo76dUUKvTQ
Never had MMR jabs, they were not in use in my childhood. Had both types, Mom treated. And my Mom only had an 8th-grade education. Mumps and chickenpox were exposed when we were young. Little brother, well before puberty. I have 1 Smallpox scar, only because the School gave them FREE. We didn't live in a dense population area either.
‘I Just Get So Angry’: Dad of West Texas Child Who Died Talks to CHD.TV
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/dad-west-texas-child-died-talks-chd-tv/
In the months before her death, Daisy was treated at three different Texas hospitals for several illnesses, including mononucleosis, strep, community-acquired pneumonia, measles and hospital-acquired pneumonia.
Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS) called her death the state’s “second measles death.”
However, doctors who analyzed her medical records said the child died from acute respiratory distress “secondary to hospital-acquired pneumonia,” which she likely developed during one of her hospital stays.
Hildebrand said measles was “absolutely not” what caused his daughter’s death. “That’s exactly why I’m doing this interview,” he said, “so hopefully people can understand that.”
He attributed her death to poor hospital care.
Autism Pre-Conditioning & Normalization: Production Begins on Film 'Rain Man' in 1986, Same Year Congress Grants Immunity Shield to Vaccine Architects. https://tritorch.substack.com/p/autism-pre-conditioning-and-normalization-333.
I reminded him of the movie Junior, cross dressing/pregnant man.
Hospital-cide.
And it's usually a vaccine-strain type "measles" right? Not the wild type immigrants would have.
Great article! Another reason for the pandemic hoax narrative is to demand the we believe “scientists” have the POWER to ‘create’ biological warfare. Our freedom is now ransomed by our modifying our behavior to cooperate or the next disease will be unleashed.
How tedious. I don't know if viruses exist, but bacteria and fungi do. And people sure seem to catch things from other people. Kids catching stuff from other kids, moms even holding parties so kids can get it over with and have lifetime immunity.
"Seems..." = operative word.
Remember not everyone "catches" a bacteria or fungi even if equally exposed.
If the determining factor were environmental for example - say changes in humidity of the weather, some kids could process this a little earlier than others, making it appear like "spread" when it is merely each body-system uniquely resolving adjustments all body-systems were exposed to.
But we've all been told its contagion, throughout all our lives. I'm sure there is contagion, emotions are very contagious for example. But is it just certain things like TB, and mood/vibe, or an infinity of things like the endless "variants" of whats called Covid? Look it up, you'll be shocked by the lack of evidence though you believe it so strongly.
But that is all speculation. Changes in the humidity did not cause a third of Europe die of the plague. The thing is... terrain makes people resistant to a lot of stuff, but if the onslaught is massive, then many succumb. Cleaning up the towns made a huge difference too. If you live in filth, even strong terrains have a problem. And cleaning up "the germs" made surgeries much much safer -- how do you answer that?
I agree that the contagion meme ought to be pushed against. But speculation is not enough. Cowan's argument is weak.
Is it?
Is that all speculation,
yet "fact" what you've been told to think about the plague or germ warfare w First Nations people or surgeries becoming "safer"?
Do you actually think one contemporary doc or the recent popularization of the ancient health-concept "terrain" is the sum of all scientific evidence or other pertinent evidence related to the power to declare geopolitical altering "pandemic"??
Have you ever heard of electrical effects on living organisms? Like say powerlines affecting bee navigation or EMFs from your phone affecting tumor growth? Would you declare the information from the industries profiting off these as "fact" and the independent third-party perspective as "all speculation" - I mean if you read something that appealed to human fear and arrogance so subtly, that you could be assured in your mind you are "right" based on your mundane personal observations you use to bolster that impression you gained?
Please look up "amyloid protein" MAINSTREAM research for Alzheimer's - and tell us all what was speculative and what was worth millions of dollars of misdirected "research." Are amyloid proteins a real, observable biological thing?
Or just watch: https://www.ff911truth.org/bravo7 and tell us what the recorded formal historical "facts" are. Then watch an in-depth scientific analysis [ https://rumble.com/v6ar2ds-where-did-the-towers-go-evidence-of-directed-free-energy-tech-on-911.html ] and tell us all "how tedious" it is to actually think critically, and where implications of having done so might affect your inner psychological comfort zone.
What I would most strongly recommend for any debator - is going to IPAK or Wellness Health Forum and taking courses to learn scientific literacy for yourself. This might expand your ability to relate everything to your own direct experience of what "seems" factual/historically accurate or merely all-speculative - and most certainly would help you navigate the world of exclusively sanctioned medical "information."
I apologize for my irritated tone. I don't like being pelted with links and more info in the absence of logic. So, here is your chance. I am listening.
(viz below)
Annnnd no response. That pretty much solidifies the point you’re making. Thank you for voicing the other side of the coin and for calling out the condescending tone. It is attitudes like that which don’t allow for deeper conversations and possible unbiased solutions.
I am a sympathetic listener. I hope T'ree has something substantial to offer, with a bit more time. If s/he cannot convince me, well., won't be able to convince those who are not friendly.
I don't like your condescending tone. You seem to think that people who disagree with you are ignorant.
Operations before Lister and after Lister are like night and day. People dying like flies vs very little dying. You tell me it's not true? Would you accept being operated on without the instruments being sterilized?
I can't be sure if viruses exist or not.
Everything is a hypothesis. Even my existence.
But if they don't
explain why we reliably produce IgG for specific viral proteins and/ or explain what Giruses are, if they aren't giant viruses, I'd love to hear their response.
If viruses don't exist, how can we eg. use them in lab experiments to immortalise cell lines?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortalised_cell_line
EBV and adenoviruses are commonly used for this purpose.
We even have viruses large enough to see with optical microscopyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_virus
https://www.sciencealert.com/new-discovery-adds-an-unexpected-twist-to-the-ongoing-debate-are-viruses-alive
We’ve also quantified the viral “code” for most of them:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20690825/
Along with the “rewiring” of our code they cause:
https://academic.oup.com/nar/article/49/6/3217/6155940
Also, which cells they like to infect:
https://academic.oup.com/nar/article/51/7/3223/7084602
“Where was the measles virus demonstrated to exist directly within the fluids or tissues of a person who is said to be sick with the symptoms known as measles? Was a purified and isolated viral particle shown to be present in the bodily fluids or cells of a sick human being—using direct physical observation, not inference from cytopathic effects or genetic material? Was the virus demonstrated in vivo, in the living human body where it is claimed to operate? Or was its existence inferred from cultured cells under artificial lab conditions?”
I didn't have anything to say about measles.I still don't.
But something does not have to be observed to exist.
Well before bacteria were observed, they were postulated. Their effect could be seen. Experiments could be run on the hypothesis. But they could not be seen or isolated. Yet they existed.
And visual confirmation came later.
I'm not saying this analogue proves viruses exist. I'm just saying that the isolation argument also proves nothing.
You can’t prove a negative
It proves a "thing" has not necessarily been isolated but definitely has been adulterated.
If it's true bacteria were postulated and later observed, is it clear that the exact parameters of "effect" (when only postulated) match with the exact functions of what was ultimately observed?
I rather doubt it just because biology is more complex than that. You could say you observe effects of nerves when not observing the effect directly but if you isolated the nerve from the circulatory and muscle systems it is innate to, it's "effects" would constitute a far different parameter. In eality all those systems work together in disease/function, not isolated. Isolated they do not match reality of the complexity of function and could/are easily ;misunderstood as independently determinant.
Obviously, whatever is being characterized as a distinct "virus", represents some type of phenomena or at least a ritual effect.
Then they just keep expanding out the error in the many ways you link to above. Or maybe one of those links is an actual phenomenon, or none of them, or all of them but not a non-living DNA fragment or whatever the working definition of a "virus" is supposed to be. Just because they are intellectually or hypothetically or possibly chronologically/spatially linked, doesn't mean its an actual "thing" that can be or has been actually observed or detected/measured.
See recent omissions that the "amyloid protein" millions of research dollars have been spent on likely doesnt exist. That's mainstream media.
Claims of people being "controlled opposition" are (9 times out of 10) self-harm.
We live in a soup of fragmented information, psyops, bad critical thinking, and just plain limited time or testing equipment.
The rush to call people controlled opposition demoralizes skeptics and lowers camaraderie among good people.
Perhaps the people who call others controlled opposition know this and are themselves controlled opposition ;) (I don't really believe that - they are just trying to figure things out, just like the people who they call controlled opposition)
Pretty good. Well written too.
Lets assume that something like a virus exists, if not completely and fully understood, and that it could be genetically modified by a bunch of highly paid people that spend way too much time alone. Lets say some other, even more pathological people, hire these geniuses to create a weapon that uses these biological "facts" to inflict communicable respiratory disease in people. Then, predicate in your mind further, even more severely pathological people whom make certain that this pretty foolish end-product is ultimately loosed on the public and, just to add intrigue and a sort of reverse-psychology-plausible-ness, that the cover-up of their diabolical plot is very poorly executed, though vehement and insidious nonetheless....
Now, actually consider personally observable reality, lets look at real-life practical reality and just notice that a good modicum of character-resistance to hysteria/terror/propaganda/psychological operations, combined with some super secret but outright cheap zinc supplements , is able to completely thwart this multi-biliion-dollar super ominous high-tech and out-of-control world circulating bioweapon - leaving only sniffles. Or maybe a week or two of miserable bedrest.
"Drat!" right?
The media/propaganda IS the "virus" (the communicable spreading respiratory attack), and the "pandemic" IS the disease (the destructive psychological operation.) The whole double-agent-international-plotting is the technique to get masses to absorb the "reality" that it is even possible to create and deploy this ultimate divide-to-conquer weapon of the masses' destruction.
Not only i s it a great Red Herring but it leaves us helpless to become enemies of each other and dependent upon anonymous beuraucracies that are way way way smarter than anyone you have ever met before, to deploy the only possible solutions and heroic intervention.
So yeah I'll lean to err on the side of [ahem- skeptical, regarding the lifelong indoctrination about invisible disease that has an accuracy anywhere in the realm of what makes/breaks such a story. Especially given the extensive All Cause Mortality data observations that do just not support any of the previously "declared" epi/pandemics. Virus or no virus.
You would know.