I've been dancing around this for years, never venturing in. Then one day a jerk called me a flat-earther. OK. Let me stick a toe into this pond. Hours hours and hours later, I was actually swimming about. Holy Shit, is all I could say.
Went back to 1587 and Urbano Monti's flat earth map and tore a page from my atlas to compare the two. When I curved my map, one side touching the other, there it was. Flight paths came into perfect focus. North pole in the center, 6th parallel where it should be.
The Gospel truth lies we have swallowed, I have swallowed, blows my mind. Is there nothing sacred? Is there nothing reliable? One has to believe in something, no? This is a comedy so I should/need to laugh. OK, I'm laughing. The earth is flat. No doubt in my mind. NASA is comedy central. Next!!
So looking forward to receiving and reading this book. I heard “belief is the enemy of knowing” on Crrow 777’s show years ago and a lightbulb finally went off. I had to ask myself why I believed anything. Often, there was no good reason aside of I heard it from someone else or was taught it via education. Mr. Gober’s books have been a revelation. Thanks for a great synopsis.
I've decided to leave cosmology alone. Wherever I turn, I seem to come up against belief rather than open thought. People tend to defend a favoured system, bright people defend better by avoiding weak ground.
I'm not too bright, but at least I don't have an entrenched position. Space fakery is easy to spot. The hairdo thing on the International Spray Salon is enough to destroy that silliness. Also, just the idea that humans can live on a vomit comet for longer than a few seconds leaves me skeptical. Whatever makes for up/down, call it gravity or what you will, must be needed by every function of a living body.
I ask globe earth believers (of which I'm still one, but only sorta) about an ever-thinning atmosphere banked up against the vacuum of space. I ask about the failures to show curvature by observation at height or by line of sight/radar/light ray etc. All I get is evasion.
I ask FE people about the massively oversized and distorted Australia on FE maps, with Tasmania shaped like a banana resting on its bend. I ask about the fact that I never see the sun approach or recede - never! - and all l I get is tricky demonstrations which never work.
I imagine God and electricity come into it more than we know or recognise...but I'm leaving it alone. A couple of years ago I clearly saw two identical moons in the sky at once. (Got two neighbours to confirm.) I'm leaving that to God.
I have a rectangular small silver bar on my key ring that simply states "it's flat". the more we know the more we don't know. I have always felt a certain feeling I am watching grown men playing in a large pool with body suits on when watching space footage. I have also since I am on the red side of things have nicknamed Kelly, Bubbles, I think you get the reference. Great 50 thanks again.
I was already a "G.S." (globe skeptic) before I bought and read the book. Mark gives a concise breakdown of the fallacious claims concerning spherical existence in a heliocentric system and goes far to debunk the governmental agencies and scientism that relentlessly promote it. Wonderful talking points to introduce in a conversation...for those who dare. Thank you, Mark!
“They also note that precision activities like surgery, Jenga towers, and delicate engineering work proceed without accounting for any planetary motion.”
Hm. As anyone who is into precision, extreme long-range shooting can tell you, your point of aim is different depending on your latitude and the direction of the shot, all else being equal. The effect is slight, mostly noticeable in pristine conditions (low wind, precise, high-quality ammunition), but shot calculators make provision for including latitude and shot azimuth because compensating for these factors improves hit percentage (i.e. it’s a real, observable thing). The simplest explanation seems to be that this phenomenon is caused by the earth’s rotation — the Coriolis effect — in the interval between the bullet leaving the gun and arriving at the target.
Reading An Immense World by Ed Jong can go a long way in helping understand the physical and self-imposed limitations of our "knowledge" which is often more belief than true science.
The Michaelson Morley experiment assumes that the earth moves through a stationary either, if either exists. Wilhelm Reich observed that the earth is surrounded by a wide field of (orgone) energy that rotates slightly faster than the earth (about 15 miles an hour faster, but variable, it can even reverse briefly locally.) This speed is consistent with the findings of the M-M experiment as explained in an article in The Journal of Orgonomy, "The Orgone Energy Continuum: The Ether and Relativity" -- Vol. 16 No. 1, by Dr. Courtney Baker. The idea that the either (orgone energy in Reich's terminology) is static causes misinterpretations of the experiment and many misunderstandings of the either. It is actually filled with streaming movements, superimpositions and other formations. It is in the nature of either (orgone energy) to move and to form and dissolve associations.
Just watched the 3 hour video linked at the top. Great stuff. Thanks once again Unbekoming!...My fave of many wonderful Substacks. Marc Gober is fantastic because he seems to cover every angle of interest in this 'upside down' world.
Thanks for recommended the work of Mark Gober, I am in the process of watching his Youtube video. This is a great summary of the flaws in contemporary science research, and I love his humility in confessing all that we don't know with certainty!
The biggest takeaway for me is that we get to question everything. That there is no such thing as settled science, which is another way of saying belief. Thanks for posting this excellent summary.
Really thought-provoking article. But as soon as consciousness is placed at the centre of everything—as the foundational reality—I can’t help but ask: where did consciousness come from? Isn’t that just as much of an origin mystery as the materialist view? Then again, I ask the same thing of the Big Bang—how can you start with absolutely nothing and suddenly get something? Neither camp seems to offer a truly satisfying answer to that deepest of questions. We keep circling back to a paradox: whether it’s matter or mind, we’re still left wondering how anything got started at all.
I've been dancing around this for years, never venturing in. Then one day a jerk called me a flat-earther. OK. Let me stick a toe into this pond. Hours hours and hours later, I was actually swimming about. Holy Shit, is all I could say.
Went back to 1587 and Urbano Monti's flat earth map and tore a page from my atlas to compare the two. When I curved my map, one side touching the other, there it was. Flight paths came into perfect focus. North pole in the center, 6th parallel where it should be.
The Gospel truth lies we have swallowed, I have swallowed, blows my mind. Is there nothing sacred? Is there nothing reliable? One has to believe in something, no? This is a comedy so I should/need to laugh. OK, I'm laughing. The earth is flat. No doubt in my mind. NASA is comedy central. Next!!
A friend says NASA = Not A Space Agency - I call it sorcery
That's a good one. Gotta remember that.
So looking forward to receiving and reading this book. I heard “belief is the enemy of knowing” on Crrow 777’s show years ago and a lightbulb finally went off. I had to ask myself why I believed anything. Often, there was no good reason aside of I heard it from someone else or was taught it via education. Mr. Gober’s books have been a revelation. Thanks for a great synopsis.
I've decided to leave cosmology alone. Wherever I turn, I seem to come up against belief rather than open thought. People tend to defend a favoured system, bright people defend better by avoiding weak ground.
I'm not too bright, but at least I don't have an entrenched position. Space fakery is easy to spot. The hairdo thing on the International Spray Salon is enough to destroy that silliness. Also, just the idea that humans can live on a vomit comet for longer than a few seconds leaves me skeptical. Whatever makes for up/down, call it gravity or what you will, must be needed by every function of a living body.
I ask globe earth believers (of which I'm still one, but only sorta) about an ever-thinning atmosphere banked up against the vacuum of space. I ask about the failures to show curvature by observation at height or by line of sight/radar/light ray etc. All I get is evasion.
I ask FE people about the massively oversized and distorted Australia on FE maps, with Tasmania shaped like a banana resting on its bend. I ask about the fact that I never see the sun approach or recede - never! - and all l I get is tricky demonstrations which never work.
I imagine God and electricity come into it more than we know or recognise...but I'm leaving it alone. A couple of years ago I clearly saw two identical moons in the sky at once. (Got two neighbours to confirm.) I'm leaving that to God.
I have a rectangular small silver bar on my key ring that simply states "it's flat". the more we know the more we don't know. I have always felt a certain feeling I am watching grown men playing in a large pool with body suits on when watching space footage. I have also since I am on the red side of things have nicknamed Kelly, Bubbles, I think you get the reference. Great 50 thanks again.
I was already a "G.S." (globe skeptic) before I bought and read the book. Mark gives a concise breakdown of the fallacious claims concerning spherical existence in a heliocentric system and goes far to debunk the governmental agencies and scientism that relentlessly promote it. Wonderful talking points to introduce in a conversation...for those who dare. Thank you, Mark!
I'm not a globe skeptic but yes big bang and quantum mechanics are a farce.
Liam Scheff was awesome. He wasn't afraid to use his bullshit detector in any field.
Heinz von Foerester -what is reality?
He also explains how physics made up particles to fulfill formulas. Science became imaginary, especially quantum physics.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ev7e9sfWIJo
ItsBS channel debunking modern physics and quantum mechanics.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkdAkAC4ItcFyNFBywN0wiZ45pCnMr-Ay
Hmmmmm. Interesting. But how did Roald Amundsen find the south pole if it isn't a (magnetic?) pole or a point but a huge wide wall?
And what do you think is UNDER the bottom of the oceans? Mountans and plains - like on the upside ? And what about lakes or rivers?
Another world maybe? Where the sun shines at night!
Is the earth much much thinner than its width, like a pancake or pie?
Just speculating - I'll find out some day!
The sun is small and local. The moon is also a local light.
That doesn't explain my questions about the so-called south pole or the bottom of the oceans though. Or where the sun is at night.
There is only the magnetic North Pole. The largest corporation on earth is named after the magnetic mountain, “Blackrock.”
The sun’s light does not travel forever due to the inverse square law of light. Just as a light bulb is limited.
Great article!
“They also note that precision activities like surgery, Jenga towers, and delicate engineering work proceed without accounting for any planetary motion.”
Hm. As anyone who is into precision, extreme long-range shooting can tell you, your point of aim is different depending on your latitude and the direction of the shot, all else being equal. The effect is slight, mostly noticeable in pristine conditions (low wind, precise, high-quality ammunition), but shot calculators make provision for including latitude and shot azimuth because compensating for these factors improves hit percentage (i.e. it’s a real, observable thing). The simplest explanation seems to be that this phenomenon is caused by the earth’s rotation — the Coriolis effect — in the interval between the bullet leaving the gun and arriving at the target.
Reading An Immense World by Ed Jong can go a long way in helping understand the physical and self-imposed limitations of our "knowledge" which is often more belief than true science.
Cool. Thanks for the recommendation. I did not know about this book.
The Michaelson Morley experiment assumes that the earth moves through a stationary either, if either exists. Wilhelm Reich observed that the earth is surrounded by a wide field of (orgone) energy that rotates slightly faster than the earth (about 15 miles an hour faster, but variable, it can even reverse briefly locally.) This speed is consistent with the findings of the M-M experiment as explained in an article in The Journal of Orgonomy, "The Orgone Energy Continuum: The Ether and Relativity" -- Vol. 16 No. 1, by Dr. Courtney Baker. The idea that the either (orgone energy in Reich's terminology) is static causes misinterpretations of the experiment and many misunderstandings of the either. It is actually filled with streaming movements, superimpositions and other formations. It is in the nature of either (orgone energy) to move and to form and dissolve associations.
Just watched the 3 hour video linked at the top. Great stuff. Thanks once again Unbekoming!...My fave of many wonderful Substacks. Marc Gober is fantastic because he seems to cover every angle of interest in this 'upside down' world.
Thank you. It is rare to see writers get into the cosmology/cosmogony fraud and expose it.
This will help confirm the points you have made. https://www.asifthinkingmatters.com/blog/category/cosmology-lies-as-big-as-the-universe
Thanks for recommended the work of Mark Gober, I am in the process of watching his Youtube video. This is a great summary of the flaws in contemporary science research, and I love his humility in confessing all that we don't know with certainty!
The biggest takeaway for me is that we get to question everything. That there is no such thing as settled science, which is another way of saying belief. Thanks for posting this excellent summary.
Really thought-provoking article. But as soon as consciousness is placed at the centre of everything—as the foundational reality—I can’t help but ask: where did consciousness come from? Isn’t that just as much of an origin mystery as the materialist view? Then again, I ask the same thing of the Big Bang—how can you start with absolutely nothing and suddenly get something? Neither camp seems to offer a truly satisfying answer to that deepest of questions. We keep circling back to a paradox: whether it’s matter or mind, we’re still left wondering how anything got started at all.