The central tension several readers identify—how can I praise high-dose vitamin C therapy while questioning whether vitamins exist?—deserves a direct answer.
The essay distinguishes between two claims: (1) synthetic compounds produce biological effects, and (2) those effects prove the compounds exist in nature as discrete entities. The first is demonstrable. The second is assumed.
Keith provided something valuable: a direct quote from Szent-Györgyi himself. When a colleague with hemorrhagic diathesis took paprika, he was cured. When Szent-Györgyi later tried to replicate this with pure ascorbic acid, "we obtained no response." The discoverer of vitamin C found that the isolated compound failed where the whole food succeeded. This is the matrix argument stated by the man who named the molecule.
pobrecollie asks the pragmatic question: if it works, does the identity question matter? For therapeutic purposes, perhaps not. If high-dose ascorbic acid reverses a toxic state, use it. But for understanding what health requires—and whether we need industrial products or simply need to eat differently—the question matters considerably.
klimer raises a concern worth taking seriously: could questioning vitamins serve pharmaceutical interests by creating confusion? The essay argues the opposite direction—that whole foods work through mechanisms we don't need to fully understand, while the supplement industry profits from the deficiency framework. But I appreciate the suspicion. After five years of watching narratives weaponized, skepticism about any argument's ultimate beneficiaries is reasonable.
hillcountry draws a parallel to Larson's critique of nuclear theory—the same logical structure where preconceived ideas determine which interpretation of identical evidence gets accepted. The vitamin A research Genereux traced follows this pattern exactly.
eileen points toward what I think is the right direction: relationship with living systems rather than molecular inventories. Whether we call it energetic, electrical, or simply "what traditional preparation preserved," something in whole foods sustains health that isolation destroys.
Horsea T. asks whether the Swiss really ate only butter, cheese, and organ meats. No—Price documented their full diet including rye bread and vegetables. The point was the absence of supplements, not the absence of variety.
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Scurvy was initially cured with citrus fruits, leading to the hypothesis of vitamin C. Ascorbic acid is the chemical isolated in the way you describe, labeled as vitamin C.
Is it the same as what is found in citrus fruits?
Maybe, quite possibly not.
Does it prevent / treat scurvy?
Yes.
If it has the desired effect, that is pretty useful.
At the end of the day, your digestive tract does a lot of hash chemical processing as well, breaking down food.
That is not entirely true. From Szent-Gyorgyi himself.
"I am talking in such detail about this substance (eriodictin, later called Vitamin P by Szent-Gyorgyi) because of a small accident that happened to us at that time. I had a letter from an colleague who was suffering from a severe hemorrhagic diathesis (vascular type). He wanted to try ascorbic acid in his condition. Possessing at that time no
sufficient quantities of crystalline ascorbic acid, I sent him a preparation of paprika that contained much ascorbic acid and the man was cured by it.
Later, with my friend, St. Rusznyak, we tried to produce the same therapeutic effect in similar conditions with pure ascorbic acid but we obtained no response. It was evident that the action of paprika was due to some other substance present in this plant."
Excerpted from, ON OXIDATION, FERMENTATION, VITAMINS, HEALTH AND DISEASE
I love your articles and they are very thought provoking, but there are so many contradictions between them.
I just finished the one on vitamin C, now we are told that vitamins might not exist. Similarly there are articles doubting the existence of viruses while many other reference the effects of viruses.
it is confusing indeed, but it sets your mind to think. I go with what works. If vitamin C works for certain illnesses, like the former articles states. by all means use it. But if certain vitamins do not work for you, find your own truth. As CG Jung said: truth is what works for you. Since we are all unique human beings, and even our animals are all unique beings, what is good for person A might not be so for B! Just like one told me yesterday I should eat more meat and drop the nuts and olive oil - they work for ME and you eat all the meat you want, I will do with the little bit my body wants.
I have never heard anyone suggest that olive oil is bad until now.
Southern Europe consumes a lot of it and is generally pretty healthy. Here in Spain it's regarded as a consumer measure of inflation, the price of oil (olive oil being implied), there were big complaints a couple of years ago, after some bad harvests due to drought combined with he Ukraine warw (which increased the price of sunflower oil a lot and I assume had a knock on effect to olive oil).
It was my first, too. I suppose the person who reacted to it, was someone who only goes with animal fats. He can have all he wants! I sparingly use butter in a few recipes but by far prefer olive, coconut and avocado oil. Here in the US it is sometimes hard to find good quality olive oil, and it is indeed pricey. Your explanation might be a reason for that! Last 3 years it doubled in price.
Prices have come down again this year (was 3 euros for a litre of basic quality stuff, went up to 6, now its around 4), maybe it will make its way to your markets.
There is talk of fake olive oil in Spain, but I think for the most part we get the real thing for a decent price. You can go posh and buy expensive stuff which has great flavour for dipping bread in. And plenty of options in between.
The Spanish seem a lot healthier and slimmer than my home country (Scotland), though I have noticed the younger generation are getting fatter than when I arrived in 2008. My guess is that it's because more processed food is becoming available here.
Another difference is that in the UK, it's quite a middle class thing to be a food snob, whereas here, even the working class appreciate good quality food.
Soy is added to almost all processed food including canned goods. When you see “natural flavoring” on a can of tomato sauce or on unsalted butter boxes, it is soy added to thicken.
Jung?!?! Why would anyone quote, let alone rely upon Jung for anything? He was a cannibal monster magician and a proud member of the oligarchical empire with the intent to deceive, dominate and enslave you and your ancestors. His mystical bullshit is ridiculous and needs to be eliminated from public discourse, except as an example of the political conspiracy to enslave your mind.
I get so sick of reading Jung thrown around as an alleged authority regarding anything. There are numerous, thorough exposures of Jung and his cannibal partner Freud (fraud) that can be found now. Educate yourself to whom they are and the evil they created and stop poisoning reality with them, especially in a forum attempting to protect humans from poison.
Can you provide any further info on Jung which might encourage us to agree that he was indeed a cannibal monster magician? I'm not disagreeing with you; because I just don't know much about Jung. But your description has caused my ears to perk up and I'd like to know more. Thanx.
I don't know much about Jung, so I am not defending his ideas. Jung is for me a name I've seen batted around a lot, but I never paid much attention. I am simply asking you why you think Jung is a fraud and an all-round villain. If that's too much for you, kindly steer me in the direction of some reliable facts which support your claim.
The below comes from Chapter 5 of "Revenge of the Mystery Cults volume 1 Mystery Babylon and the Age of Aquarius" by Matthew Ehret with a special contribution from Cynthia Chung. In it one will find that Carl Jung was not a scientist in any sense of the word, but a ridiculous, rabid member of an oligarchical cult seeking to enslave the world via his blood oaths and commitment to them and the modern British Empire that held, and still hold, these occult beliefs amongst its psychopathic members. This was not a passive endeavor, but the focus of his life. He was an active conspirator in the truest sense of a conspiracy. Everything he did was based upon this.
One would be equally as "scientific" and realistic about the nature of reality if one were to quote L. Ron Hubbard instead of Carl Jung, as both hold the same status. Jung, Freud and William James all collaborated with looney cult members in Ascona, Switzerland to conspire, literally, to begin their cult evangelizing, which was promoted by the British Empire as science, along with a host of other bullshit that people still believe in with faith, rather than scientific evidence, because the world was flooded with it, repeated by professorial frauds and drug-addled hippies to the point it became part of the cultural wall paper of Western Society. Yet, it is nothing but occult garbage, no more based in reality than any other ignorant religion, but magnitudes worse, because it had the purpose to enslave minds and create ignorant masses of humans blinded to reality.
"Throughout his adult life, Carl Jung’s conviction that he was himself a new Moses figure, or even a new Messiah of a new order was apparent as we will see in the course of this brief chapter. Standing as a leading member of the British Society for Psychical Research, and initiate of several arcane mystery schools, Carl Jung’s reputation as a man of science must sincerely be re-evaluated and at least infused with an additional identity as a modern sorcerer."
"Jung’s concepts of ‘individuation’ were heavily rooted in occultism, and tightly linked to the notion of initiatory rites of mystery cults which strove to break their members free of enslavement to conscience, social norms, or other ‘externally imposed’ ideas of God or morality. Of those few strong enough to pass through all rites of the Eleusinian Mysteries whether operating in the Mithraic, Isis or Cybele-Attis Cults, they were rewarded with the goal of deification (realizing that they were God).
In a 1925 lecture, Jung describes his own realization of his deification:
“Awe surrounds the mysteries, particularly the mystery of deification. This was one of the most important of the mysteries- it gave certainty of immortality. One gets a peculiar feeling from being put through such an initiation. The important part that led up to the deification was the
snake’s encoiling of me... The animal face which I felt mine transformed into was the famous Deus Leontocephalus of the Mithraic mysteries, the figure which is represented with a snake coiled around the man, the snake’s head resting on the man’s head, and the face of the man that of a lion. This statue has only been found in the mystery grottoes (the underchurches [Mithraeum], the last remnants of the catacombs).”
Jung scholar Richard Noll noted the occult psychiatrist’s fixation with Mithra in the following section of ‘The Jung Cult- Origins of a Charismatic Movement’:
“When Jung became one with Aion in his visionary initiation experience, in his imagination he was not only becoming a full participant in the mysteries of Mithras; he was experiencing a direct initiation into the most ancient of the mysteries of his Aryan ancestors."
"This is why it is so important for oligarchists to ensure that society’s only definition of “reason” is bounded by strict limitations of linear reductionist logic (typically some mixture of deductive/inductive logic). The suffocating constraints which this fallacious notion of “reason” imposes onto the mind, and the associated Kantian corollaries in the moral domain (of “forcing” good behaviour as categorical imperatives at best) results in a tyranny of reason from which victims of said conditioning must desire to free themselves."
"This liberation from false rigid reason via occultism and gnosis is a powerful recipe for Luciferianism."
"The psychiatrist who ran the CIA’s MK Ultra’s Psylocibin Project at Harvard carrying out psychological experiments on students using psychedelic drugs, was none other than Henry Murray, a disciple of Carl Jung for many years. CIA director Allen Dulles who initiated and oversaw the MK Ultra with its 1953 launch worked closely with Jung throughout World War II, and the Cold War."
Carl Jung: Gnostic High Priest
"In a 1912 letter to Freud, Carl Jung had himself described this revival of the gnostic mysteries as a replacement for Christianity saying:
“I think we must give it [referring to his new religion] time to infiltrate into people from many centers, to revivify among intellectuals a feeling for symbol and myth, ever so gently to transform Christ back into the soothsaying god of the vine, which he was, and in this way absorb those ecstatic instinctual forces of Christianity for the one purpose of making the cult and the sacred myth what they once were- a drunken feast of joy where man regained the ethos and holiness of an animal.”
"Jung was extremely clear of his devotion to the Mithraic secret doctrines of gnostic Christianity which he saw as the basis of a new global religion."
"The true actualized self, integrated with the subconscious shadows, was for Jung, liberated from all moral considerations, and like Crowley (or the Hellfire Club’s Francis Dashwood earlier) knew that “Do What Thou Wilt” was the whole of the Law."
Jung’s 7 Sermons to the Dead
"Jung’s devotion to Christian Gnosticism was demonstrated as early as 1916, when he channelled the 2nd century gnostic priest of
Alexandria named Basilides in his now famous ‘Seven Sermons to the Dead’.
In these sermons, Jung delivered seven gnostic sermons to the spirits of dead knights Templar saying “The dead came back from Jerusalem, where they found not what they sought. They prayed me let them in and besought my word, and thus I began my teaching.”
Jung tells the ghosts the story of creation and the fundamental essence of everything which he describes as ‘Pleroma’ saying:
“I begin with nothingness. Nothingness is the same as fullness. In infinity full is no better than empty. Nothingness is both empty and full. As well might ye say anything else of nothingness, as for instance, white is it, or black, or again, it is not, or it is. A thing that is infinite and eternal hath no qualities, since it hath all qualities... This nothingness or fullness we name the PLEROMA. Therein both thinking and being cease, since the eternal and infinite possess no qualities. In it no being is, for he then would be distinct from the pleroma, and would possess qualities which would distinguish him as something distinct from the pleroma.”
This fundamental nothingness which Jung describes as the essential purity of all to which all must desire to return is both All and nothing, and also both good and evil, and every other opposite saying:
“The qualities [of Pleroma] are pairs of opposites, such as: The Effective and the Ineffective, Fullness and Emptiness, Living and Dead, Difference and Sameness, Light and Darkness, The Hot and the Cold, Force and Matter, Time and Space, Good and Evil, Beauty and Ugliness, The One and the Many. etc.”
Throughout the seven sermons, Basilides (aka: Jung) declares the figure of Abraxas to be the whole integrated man which unites all opposites of good and evil saying:
“What the god-sun speaketh is life. What the devil speaketh is death. But Abraxas speaketh that hallowed and accursed word which is life and death at the same time. Abraxas begetteth truth and lying, good and evil, light and darkness, in the same word and in the same act. Wherefore is Abraxas terrible.”
Once actualizing Abraxas, Jung explains that man becomes “the creator and the destroyer of his own world.”
"More on this topic will be described in a future study on Jung’s Seven Sermons, but it suffices to say for the moment that Abraxas represents a pure recipe for driving a mind into insanity, fragmentation and echoes the type of thinking expressed by Lord Bertrand Russell who later called for a scientific dictatorship capable of convincing students that “snow is black”
"Carl Jung was not only the overseer of the gnostic revivalism through his acquisition and promotion of the Nag Hammadi scriptures, but was also a promoter of psychedelics evidenced by a 1955 lecture which begins with the guru saying he didn’t know the difference between LSD or mescalin. Within 10 minutes, Jung’s disingenuous nature came through when he said to his students:
“I can only hope that the doctors will feed themselves thoroughly with mescalin, the alkaloid of divine grace, so that they learn for themselves its marvellous effect.”
"Carl Jung soon took charge of the Eranos Conferences in Ascona, Switzerland in 1933, which had been set up by a nest of theosophists and Fabians with the mandate of creating a new spiritualism based on a synthesis of modern psychology, religion, philosophy and the occult.
The Eranos Conferences would inspire two followers of Aldous Huxley named Richard Price and Michael Murphy to create a new organization in America, called ‘The Esalen Institute’ in Big Sur California in 1962.
Jung’s intention to overthrow Christianity, establish a new gnostic religious order based on drugs, embrace of the shadow, and liberation from morality (with him as a high priest) was shared by fellow Ascona participant Aldous Huxley- MK Ultra guiding light, author of Doors of Perception, and Brave New World."
Virus is an older term when it actually meant bug. Our bodies are riddled with bugs. Ie parasites, that cause diseases. Look up Laura Rorher, The Rooeworm protocol.
Analysing vitamins led to their synthesis, where the finished product bears little resemblance to the natural substance of which it is an analogue...It may even be toxic...
I think they are toxic. Search for the sds, safety data sheet on any vitamin and you will see the truth. Remember, the truth is out there for those who look. Those who don’t look or accept the lies suffer the consequences
Search “safety data sheet on vitamin d” for example, on any search engine. So many lab results displaying the truth.
this is what I have been wondering too. Even if the original vitamin exists (there is proof that large amounts of vitamin C can work wonders on some illnesses) how do we know that the synthetic is the same, or even near, to the original?
What has all this chemical medicine helped to make people healthy? Someone responded on another page, that people live way longer than, let's say, 100 years ago. True, but do you want to live to 100 demented and in a wheel chair? Mom lived like that the last 3 years of her life. As long as your are mobile and in good mind, I think everyone will want to live. But in these retirement homes filled with Altzheimer, demented and crippled people, I wonder how many would want to continue if they had a choice. (I am not propagating killing them like they recently started doing in Canada though).
"Bakers laced bread with alum and bone meal to stretch flour; brewers dosed beer with arsenic for froth; milkmen diluted cow’s milk with water, chalk, or even formaldehyde to mask spoilage. These practices exacted a huge public health toll, contributing to infant mortality rates as high as 150 per 1,000 live births in industrial cities like Manchester in the nineteenth century."
There was "sugar of lead" added to cider to sweeten it and lead used to seal bottles and casks. Further there were "vaccine" laws which resulted in a lot of child deaths see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_Act.
Also arsenic in wall paper (green) and paint. Surprising that any of our ancestors survived!!
WOW no wonder people died young. I knew a few of these... like mask spoiled milk. Deleting is still done, what else is that watery milk without milk fat. Probably treated with chemicals as well. I only use cream!
And then combined with the poor hygiene 100 years ago!
With all this speculation out now about vitamins, germs, parasites or viruses being real or just labels being given a pattern of symptoms because money talks (big anything, including supplements), what if our health depends upon our relationship with our planet? And I am NOT talking about or asking whether vegetarianism or veganism is better. Remember herbivores eat plants and transform them into something that those higher on the food chain like us or wolves can use.
Earth and plants vibrate at a specific frequency and when the planet evolved, so do the plants and herbivores who consume these plants. Likewise those higher on the food chain will also evolve with the plants. This is why those preparing and eating the traditional way are healthier even though they eat saturated fats and red meat, the so called nutritional no-nos if you want to be healthy.
We have allowed industrial interests to mess with earth to such a point that toxicity is everywhere. What if what we call 'illness' isn't so much a germ or a parasite as it is a cleansing. Fevers kill invaders. Our skin is the biggest elimination organ in the body. What if itchy skin is the liver using the skin to expell toxins and the best management is to give the body what it needs and manage the Herxheimer reactions we call 'disease'?
In Chinese medicine, pathogens aren't the only invaders; weather is as well and they manage weather invasions, such as the common cold with the same protocol (different herbs and acupuncture points) as they do invasions which cause a febrile (fever) state. In other words management of energetic states (relationship with the planet).
GMO food, CAFO-raised herbivores, synthetic vitamins, pharmaceuticals, some supplement components (those added to prevent clumping) interfere with our relationship with the planet so that we are cut off from the planet, both spiritually and electrically, a state known as ungrounded do we don't real the benefits of what nature has to offer. Traditional methods preserve that energetic relationship so you don't get sick nor do you have to spend oodles of money to try and simulate what the planet gives you without charge IF you respect it.
Yes, this makes sense. It also could help explain the push over the last two decades to normalize body art and piercings which cannot be good for our largest organ.
Our bodies have evolved over the millennia to adapt to diets different from the caveman version of raw meat and a few plant materials (also unheated). The major advancement was cooking, and, long afterwards, discovery of grains and their entry into the human diet, first as the wild version, and then as being bred this way and that. And it also depends on what part of the earth your ancestors are from. There is no "tradition" (dietarily speaking) which can last forever. Our bodies do indeed move with the times.
Thanks eileen. To me; "relationship with the planet" represents relationship with all *energies* of biological forms we were born into. These energies are not "gods" nor chemical factors. We are/were a holistic dialog... We are/were exchange and balance within existence. The exchange is a profound silence... Best regards.
Vitamins, viruses, atoms, and climate-killing CO2 molecules are all conveniently invisible, happily for the controllers. We just have to believe what we're told:).
Appreciate the excellent expose! Coincidentally, I just finished Dewey B. Larson's book: The Case Against the Nuclear Atom (copyright 1963) (second printing 2024). Similar arguments about faulty models leading to numerous idiotic things defended by the silo that is modern physics, via those indoctrinated to forego questioning Rutherford's assumptions. Larson points out that the original argument based on the known characteristics of radioactivity are summarized as:
* Under certain conditions atoms disintegrate
* Electrons are found among the disintegrating products
*Therefore, electrons are constituents of atoms
He proceeds to write that: "At first glance this argument may seem sound, and in the formative years of the nuclear hypotheses it was accepted without question. Even today it is still orthodox doctrine. But the true status of the argument can be brought out clearly by stating the analogous argument concerning the photon.
* Under certain conditions atoms disintegrate
* Photons are found among the disintegrating products
* Nevertheless, photons are not constituents of atoms."
He writes: "Here we find that on the basis of exactly the same evidence, the physicist arrives at diametrically opposite conclusions. because preconceived ideas concerning the electron suggest that it could be an atomic constituent, the evidence from the disintegrations is accepted as proof that it is, whereas similar preconceived ideas concerning the photon suggest that it could not be an atomic constituent, and exactly the same evidence is therefore taken to mean that the photon was created in the process. Actually, of course, the physical evidence does not distinguish between these alternatives, nor does it preclude the possibility that some other explanation may be correct. What the evidence shows is that the electron either:
* was a constituent of the atom, or
* was preexisting within, but not a part of , the atom, or
* was derived from the surrounding space, or
* was created in the disintegration process, or
* originated from some combination of the foregoing, or
* had some other origin consistent with the evidence."
So vitamin supplements are pharmaceuticals. If you take a statin, be sure and supplement with CoQ10! And let us not forget the biologics correcting the “genetic” wrongs of needles. Being aware is a full-time job.
Materialistic science can only look at what is possible to take in with our senses or with instruments that inform our senses. Beyond that science has no knowledge or opinion. And since it can't go beyond matter to find answers, it fragments matter further and further into microscopic components, isolates them and tried to explain them away from the whole. It has always been the problem of science, of modern materialistic dogmatic science.
The problem of alternative science is its lack of funding to give scientists a chance to work together and explore different findings. So they are subject to the same fragmentation that materialism imposes - they work in isolation, each one discovering one or another piece of the puzzle, but not really knowing of each others work! So you have some discovering there is no such thing as a virus, while others continue explaining their own findings with viruses and germs because they did not get the memo.
This substack is putting together all kinds of different discoveries, debunking all kinds of deceptions and stupidity. And yet... a new science will only emerge when the way of doing science changes. Take out finance and state interests from it, make it truly independent, free up thought so people are not censored when they discover things that don't sit well with Big Industry and Big State. In other words, liberate science from the coercion of money and power and you will have a cornucopia of real discovery with real application to benefit us all. And while we are at it, we should also liberate our education system, the arts, the media... all those who are in charge of new ideas and the enrichment of truth in our lives. Ah, one can only dream...
No, they are all categories of similar chemicals and are not the same as in nature. NYT fact-check of RFK Jr claims on Fruit Loops artificial colors https://maha.shopping/f/nyt-fact-check-of-rfk-jr-claims-on-fruit-loops-artificial-colors Vitamins in foods are extracted with petro-chemicals or acids and are made synthetically as groups of chemicals. Your Vitamin C in foods and drinks comes from Black Mold, not Oranges. Citric Acid called MCA comes from GMO corn. Niacinamide, the main ingredient in Fireworks. Niacinamide causes Cancer. Vitamin D-D3 is Rat Poison. Reduced Iron, is metallic iron reduced by an acid! Soy Lecitin. GMO Poison... All Vitamins and Supplements are some kind of synthetic poison. Just Google your favorite 'vitamin' and add 'side effects'. https://nurembergtrials.net/nuremberg-2-0/f/codex-alementarious-synthetic-vitamins-gmo-removes-nutrients
It seems to me the ideal way to obtain nutrients is directly from food. I think the supplement industry is a brainwashing industry. The body is designed to metabolize food. The whole process is complex and finely tuned. There is no way human interference can mimic the intelligence of the body. Some people cannot absorb particular nutrients, so perhaps they can find relief from supplementation.
I guess the problem is that various nutrients (minerals, anyway, which are needed for vitamins to assimilate) are antagonistic to each other. A whole 'nother topic, maybe?
I think the basic premise that you are conveying is that science is a belief system, that some things are unknowable due to all the alchemy required to achieve a result. And also that most of science can't be known empirically because it can take years to learn just a few basic facts, so we can't possibly verify personally even a small fraction of the science that exists. We need to trust that what science tells us is true, but we also know that during the past 50 years we've been flooded with corrupt health science whose only purpose is to assure corporate profitability.
I'm not too sure that amplifying a message of "evil vitamins" (aside from Vitamin A) isn't part of Big Pharma's current agenda. Once the government censorship apparatus started being partly dismantled, they needed a different way to maintain fear and uncertainty. That way is the Tower of Babel - support as many diametrically opposed narratives as possible, so that the average person will throw their hands up in the air and quit trying to make sense of anything.
If science is a belief system, my personal belief is that the correct way for me to formulate my belief system is to ignore most of the health science that has been created in the past 50 years. The exceptions would be independent researchers like Becker and Pollock, stuff produced by docs who've overcome health challenges that their peers couldn't solve (Tennant, Bergman, Berg, Mercola), and books by guys like Levy who do the deep dive and take the time to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Regarding "rob", any liquid back in those days would have been transported in barrels, possibly even old barrels used to transport things like rum or turpentine. Either the wood of the barrel, or traces of whatever had been in there before adding the citric juice, could reduce rob's acidity. So the problem with the early experiment could have been that there was no way at the time to avoid contaminating the rob - that nature's packaging was just more efficient at preserving what was inside than the manmade packaging in use at the time. Also, refrigeration may have been necessary for the rob to last for months during a typical ocean voyage, to prevent the rob from being oxidized. The same experiment today, with the rob being stored in inert glass containers and/or being refrigerated would likely produce different results.
The trouble is that few people today understand that glass bottles weren't machine produced until the 1890s, and that they were quite thick and heavy compared to today's bottles. Even hand blown glass bottles weren't produced in significant quantities until at least the 1870s. They might presume the rob was stored in bottles, when they didn't exist in quantity when the experiment was made, and that transporting a lot of tiny bottles vs a small number of large kegs would have added weight and required more storage space on an already cramped ship.
There's a mountain of evidence and experience that Vitamin C has massive beneficial effects. At this point, whether it is the active ingredient in citrus fruit that saved sailors from scurvy is immaterial. Large doses of C do some pretty spectacular things for the human body, and those are doses that would equate to bags of oranges per day. The argument over perfect analogs and natural-vs-manmade is utter nonsense.
Yes, our society and our science is massively ignorant. But somehow that ignorance still managed to find something remarkable in ascorbic acid. And someone was smart enough to realize that there's not enough citrus to extract all the ascorbic acid we need, so they figured out how to make it from vats of mold.
Making ascorbic acid/Vitamin C the poster child for explaining that science is a belief system probably isn't the best choice. It's something that actually works. It's something that actually greatly reduces our need to interact with a predatory healthcare system. I personally keep a year's supply on hand for when the global economy takes a nosedive later this year.
It's the kind of silly argument (logical fallacy) designed to make people question that there is any value at all in ascorbic acid. And that's because once you get adequate ascorbic acid on board (way more than the RDA) your need for regular doctor visits is vastly reduced. And if you don't see the doc, how can you get prescriptions-for-life? It blows up the whole medical pharming model.
So what the heck is Unbecoming trying to prove here? I've looked at the argument again, and it makes no sense. Does isolated vitamin C cure scurvy? I have never heard that it does not. Heat-killed rob does not cure scurvy.
Vitamin C was just an example. The overall concept, that we may not know what we all collectively think we know, is a great message.
We only “know” what we experience empirically. Everything else is simply a belief: a belief that what we are told about science, even that which has been corrupted to assure corporate profitability ($cience), is true. After all, science is $cience. At least phonetically.
When your worldview is shaped by what you believe, that’s a religion. So science is the new religion. A religion intended to exploit each of us as fodder for corporate profitability.
Once you understand that it is a religion and that it is being used to manipulate your behavior, you gain the capacity to avoid being manipulated.
If you are reasonably intelligent and open minded, that means you’ll like fare a bit better than the herd in general, by making your own decisions rather than following herd behavior.
Vitamin A was a great example: the inability to rectify things when a supposed nutrient turns out to be a toxin.
Admitting that the initial research was wrong and based upon incorrect assumptions undermines the primacy of science as the unassailable truth. If people don’t believe the religion, they won’t believe the priests who preach the beliefs.
The problem is that there is plenty of good science that is free of corporate bias. If we can’t distinguish science from $cience, we’ll end up throwing out the baby with the bathwater. And one of the babies could be ascorbic acid.
Scurvy is mostly a sea problem (as in, it only affected sailors), and wasn't known as a "land problem" until the Irish potato famine.
Plenty of people who subsist with traditional diets low (according to the science) in vitamin C do not really seem to have problems with scurvy. For example, boiling potatoes destroys the purported vitamin C content in them. So, um, how did the Irish survive on their diet of boiled and mashed potatoes then? It makes little sense. My son seems to survive well and he pretty eats pretty much nothing but meat and boiled potatoes.
So, when does scurvy occur? During an era when sailors drank liquids from barrels coated in the interior in turpentine-and-other-poison-laced pitch/pine tar and foods preserved using preservatives now known to be poisonous.
In short, there is essentially not a lot of evidence that "Vitamin C cures or prevents scurvy." Fresh non-poisoned food seems to do the job.
Actually, scurvy was known to occur regularly in sieges, where the inhabitants of a castle ran out of fresh food. More recently, scurvy broke out during the battle of Gallipoli when the supplies ran out and the supply lines were interrupted. It was also noted among the Indians in hard winter months.
When Lind gave 2 of his sick sailors oranges or lemons and they quickly recovered and helped with taking care of the others who remained sick... they were all eating and drinking the same stuff. (He then ran out of lemons and oranges and did not duplicate the trial.)
Here's a problem: how does anyone know it was scurvy in a medieval siege since the term was coined much later? Answer: they don't, it's someone going through records and pointing at something and saying, "Maybe it was scurvy."
Scurvy symptoms are the same as various poisoning symptoms, so saying, "It's scurvy!" is unwarranted since we don't really know. For example, eating the liver of certain animals can give you what science calls "retinoic acid poisoning" which - regardless if it's really due to retinoic acid - nevertheless can cause symptoms that are at times identical to scurvy. Even saying, "But they ate fresh food and got better" doesn't really prove it the VitC-"scurvy" connection. Maybe they just stopped eating poison.
Anyway, we all know you don't need vitamin C? Why, because there are people in past times - and today - who subsisted off diets low in vitamin C. For example, my son, who only eats meat and potatoes. (The potatoes purportedly lose their vitamin C if you boil or deep fat fry them).
Vitamin C can also increase oxidation in the body which may be hugely problematic depending on the health of the recipient. Studies show this and studies show that and peer review means nothing - it is still a synthetic substance created by the same PHarma owned chemical companies from who knows what.
What specific problems for which unhealthy people, and what specific studies? Sounds like Pharma fear mongering to me.
Oxidation is actually the key to reversing most chronic conditions. It's not the bogey man that Pharma made it out to be when they sold us all on antioxidants. Learn what Shallenberger has been doing with ozone, where he claims it helps about 80% of chronic conditions. Name a diet that comes close to that. Especially one that the average human can stick to.
Anyone who has experienced firsthand how IVC or oral C can improve health doesn't need studies or peer review. It's called empiricism - seeing is believing. If you have an acute health problem that can be quickly resolved with C, you won’t care if there is a possible vague long-term future negative health impact (though people have been using it for decades and no such fear has materialized).
klimer - since you sound sensible about supplements, i am wondering what your thoughts are about magnesium supplementation. (i avoid pills, with the exception of magnesium and sometimes chromium or manganese - and get most nutrients from food, herbs, spices, seaweed and the sun - plus grass-fed dairy for vit K & A. Also supplemental vit C from a healthforce powdered compound of acerola cherry extract, camu-camu and amla berry, but keep some ascorbic acid around just in case). but i recently got a magnesium powder and i wonder about just taking an obvious isolated chemical.
Magnesium is absolutely essential for anyone with a heart rhythm problem. I’ve tried a number of different types and combinations, but none really stand out as being better than the others.
A few years back I started having symptoms of heart failure and found Dr Sinatra’s protocol for reversing it with specific supplements: CoQ10, L-carnitine and mag. The mag in the formula I used was bisglycinate chelate.
It worked, and doesn’t seem to be a supplement-for-life kind of thing. Once you have enough of those things on board, your body seems to go back on autopilot, provided you don’t end up in another healing crisis for some reason.
After doing that, I started to take magnesium ozonide (SuperOxyflush) to find a solution to my spastic colon. That REALLY calmed my heart down! That, and some things I’m doing to clean out my liver, greatly improved my tolerance for caffeine. It also has improved my tolerance for alcohol, but I rarely drink anymore.
Magnesium can also help some people sleep.
Most people need more magnesium, but unless you are really depleted, I suspect any improvements in health will be hard to notice. But if you have heart palpitations, it will allow those to fade into the background in a big hurry.
Dr. Thomas Levy and Dr. Sircus have both written excellent books on magnesium. Sircus advocates soaking in magnesium chloride as the best way to get levels up quickly.
thanks very much for your comprehensive answer. i mainly take it for general health and (pre-emptive) heart health, to balance out my kefir calcium intake and especially if i am eating too much constipating food (like persimmons or anything astringent). interesting about soaking in Mg chloride - maybe it works better for magnesium absorption than Mg sulfate (epsom salts).
Chloride is better absorbed than the Epsom. Good that you are balancing against the calcium. Mg and Na are antagonists, so having enough mg is a good idea.
Human breastmilk under NO CIRCUMSTANCES contains enough Vitamin D3 (which *IS* poison) and Vitamin K to sustain an infant, supposedly. This is ridiculous! Women "evolved" or were "created" lacking the ability to feed their own infants? It's totally preposterous and just means the science is wrong all around.
Author's Note
The central tension several readers identify—how can I praise high-dose vitamin C therapy while questioning whether vitamins exist?—deserves a direct answer.
The essay distinguishes between two claims: (1) synthetic compounds produce biological effects, and (2) those effects prove the compounds exist in nature as discrete entities. The first is demonstrable. The second is assumed.
Keith provided something valuable: a direct quote from Szent-Györgyi himself. When a colleague with hemorrhagic diathesis took paprika, he was cured. When Szent-Györgyi later tried to replicate this with pure ascorbic acid, "we obtained no response." The discoverer of vitamin C found that the isolated compound failed where the whole food succeeded. This is the matrix argument stated by the man who named the molecule.
pobrecollie asks the pragmatic question: if it works, does the identity question matter? For therapeutic purposes, perhaps not. If high-dose ascorbic acid reverses a toxic state, use it. But for understanding what health requires—and whether we need industrial products or simply need to eat differently—the question matters considerably.
klimer raises a concern worth taking seriously: could questioning vitamins serve pharmaceutical interests by creating confusion? The essay argues the opposite direction—that whole foods work through mechanisms we don't need to fully understand, while the supplement industry profits from the deficiency framework. But I appreciate the suspicion. After five years of watching narratives weaponized, skepticism about any argument's ultimate beneficiaries is reasonable.
hillcountry draws a parallel to Larson's critique of nuclear theory—the same logical structure where preconceived ideas determine which interpretation of identical evidence gets accepted. The vitamin A research Genereux traced follows this pattern exactly.
eileen points toward what I think is the right direction: relationship with living systems rather than molecular inventories. Whether we call it energetic, electrical, or simply "what traditional preparation preserved," something in whole foods sustains health that isolation destroys.
Horsea T. asks whether the Swiss really ate only butter, cheese, and organ meats. No—Price documented their full diet including rye bread and vegetables. The point was the absence of supplements, not the absence of variety.
Thank you for reading.
I have been questioning this vitamin subject for years too. SO MUCH of our supposed "science" is just black magic hocus pocus.
One thing I have noticed...since the covid scam a lot more people are questioning some of these things, and this is good.
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I will play devils advocate on this one.
Scurvy was initially cured with citrus fruits, leading to the hypothesis of vitamin C. Ascorbic acid is the chemical isolated in the way you describe, labeled as vitamin C.
Is it the same as what is found in citrus fruits?
Maybe, quite possibly not.
Does it prevent / treat scurvy?
Yes.
If it has the desired effect, that is pretty useful.
At the end of the day, your digestive tract does a lot of hash chemical processing as well, breaking down food.
If identity is unproven, equivalence is assumed, not demonstrated.
That is not entirely true. From Szent-Gyorgyi himself.
"I am talking in such detail about this substance (eriodictin, later called Vitamin P by Szent-Gyorgyi) because of a small accident that happened to us at that time. I had a letter from an colleague who was suffering from a severe hemorrhagic diathesis (vascular type). He wanted to try ascorbic acid in his condition. Possessing at that time no
sufficient quantities of crystalline ascorbic acid, I sent him a preparation of paprika that contained much ascorbic acid and the man was cured by it.
Later, with my friend, St. Rusznyak, we tried to produce the same therapeutic effect in similar conditions with pure ascorbic acid but we obtained no response. It was evident that the action of paprika was due to some other substance present in this plant."
Excerpted from, ON OXIDATION, FERMENTATION, VITAMINS, HEALTH AND DISEASE
by Albert V. Szent-Gyorgyi
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I love your articles and they are very thought provoking, but there are so many contradictions between them.
I just finished the one on vitamin C, now we are told that vitamins might not exist. Similarly there are articles doubting the existence of viruses while many other reference the effects of viruses.
it is confusing indeed, but it sets your mind to think. I go with what works. If vitamin C works for certain illnesses, like the former articles states. by all means use it. But if certain vitamins do not work for you, find your own truth. As CG Jung said: truth is what works for you. Since we are all unique human beings, and even our animals are all unique beings, what is good for person A might not be so for B! Just like one told me yesterday I should eat more meat and drop the nuts and olive oil - they work for ME and you eat all the meat you want, I will do with the little bit my body wants.
I have never heard anyone suggest that olive oil is bad until now.
Southern Europe consumes a lot of it and is generally pretty healthy. Here in Spain it's regarded as a consumer measure of inflation, the price of oil (olive oil being implied), there were big complaints a couple of years ago, after some bad harvests due to drought combined with he Ukraine warw (which increased the price of sunflower oil a lot and I assume had a knock on effect to olive oil).
It was my first, too. I suppose the person who reacted to it, was someone who only goes with animal fats. He can have all he wants! I sparingly use butter in a few recipes but by far prefer olive, coconut and avocado oil. Here in the US it is sometimes hard to find good quality olive oil, and it is indeed pricey. Your explanation might be a reason for that! Last 3 years it doubled in price.
Prices have come down again this year (was 3 euros for a litre of basic quality stuff, went up to 6, now its around 4), maybe it will make its way to your markets.
There is talk of fake olive oil in Spain, but I think for the most part we get the real thing for a decent price. You can go posh and buy expensive stuff which has great flavour for dipping bread in. And plenty of options in between.
The Spanish seem a lot healthier and slimmer than my home country (Scotland), though I have noticed the younger generation are getting fatter than when I arrived in 2008. My guess is that it's because more processed food is becoming available here.
Another difference is that in the UK, it's quite a middle class thing to be a food snob, whereas here, even the working class appreciate good quality food.
Soy is added to almost all processed food including canned goods. When you see “natural flavoring” on a can of tomato sauce or on unsalted butter boxes, it is soy added to thicken.
Ingrid, see my response above re: Jung, Freud, James, et al.
Jung?!?! Why would anyone quote, let alone rely upon Jung for anything? He was a cannibal monster magician and a proud member of the oligarchical empire with the intent to deceive, dominate and enslave you and your ancestors. His mystical bullshit is ridiculous and needs to be eliminated from public discourse, except as an example of the political conspiracy to enslave your mind.
I get so sick of reading Jung thrown around as an alleged authority regarding anything. There are numerous, thorough exposures of Jung and his cannibal partner Freud (fraud) that can be found now. Educate yourself to whom they are and the evil they created and stop poisoning reality with them, especially in a forum attempting to protect humans from poison.
Can you provide any further info on Jung which might encourage us to agree that he was indeed a cannibal monster magician? I'm not disagreeing with you; because I just don't know much about Jung. But your description has caused my ears to perk up and I'd like to know more. Thanx.
See my reply, above. Jung is a tool. Inform yourself.
I don't know much about Jung, so I am not defending his ideas. Jung is for me a name I've seen batted around a lot, but I never paid much attention. I am simply asking you why you think Jung is a fraud and an all-round villain. If that's too much for you, kindly steer me in the direction of some reliable facts which support your claim.
The below comes from Chapter 5 of "Revenge of the Mystery Cults volume 1 Mystery Babylon and the Age of Aquarius" by Matthew Ehret with a special contribution from Cynthia Chung. In it one will find that Carl Jung was not a scientist in any sense of the word, but a ridiculous, rabid member of an oligarchical cult seeking to enslave the world via his blood oaths and commitment to them and the modern British Empire that held, and still hold, these occult beliefs amongst its psychopathic members. This was not a passive endeavor, but the focus of his life. He was an active conspirator in the truest sense of a conspiracy. Everything he did was based upon this.
One would be equally as "scientific" and realistic about the nature of reality if one were to quote L. Ron Hubbard instead of Carl Jung, as both hold the same status. Jung, Freud and William James all collaborated with looney cult members in Ascona, Switzerland to conspire, literally, to begin their cult evangelizing, which was promoted by the British Empire as science, along with a host of other bullshit that people still believe in with faith, rather than scientific evidence, because the world was flooded with it, repeated by professorial frauds and drug-addled hippies to the point it became part of the cultural wall paper of Western Society. Yet, it is nothing but occult garbage, no more based in reality than any other ignorant religion, but magnitudes worse, because it had the purpose to enslave minds and create ignorant masses of humans blinded to reality.
"Throughout his adult life, Carl Jung’s conviction that he was himself a new Moses figure, or even a new Messiah of a new order was apparent as we will see in the course of this brief chapter. Standing as a leading member of the British Society for Psychical Research, and initiate of several arcane mystery schools, Carl Jung’s reputation as a man of science must sincerely be re-evaluated and at least infused with an additional identity as a modern sorcerer."
"Jung’s concepts of ‘individuation’ were heavily rooted in occultism, and tightly linked to the notion of initiatory rites of mystery cults which strove to break their members free of enslavement to conscience, social norms, or other ‘externally imposed’ ideas of God or morality. Of those few strong enough to pass through all rites of the Eleusinian Mysteries whether operating in the Mithraic, Isis or Cybele-Attis Cults, they were rewarded with the goal of deification (realizing that they were God).
In a 1925 lecture, Jung describes his own realization of his deification:
“Awe surrounds the mysteries, particularly the mystery of deification. This was one of the most important of the mysteries- it gave certainty of immortality. One gets a peculiar feeling from being put through such an initiation. The important part that led up to the deification was the
snake’s encoiling of me... The animal face which I felt mine transformed into was the famous Deus Leontocephalus of the Mithraic mysteries, the figure which is represented with a snake coiled around the man, the snake’s head resting on the man’s head, and the face of the man that of a lion. This statue has only been found in the mystery grottoes (the underchurches [Mithraeum], the last remnants of the catacombs).”
Jung scholar Richard Noll noted the occult psychiatrist’s fixation with Mithra in the following section of ‘The Jung Cult- Origins of a Charismatic Movement’:
“When Jung became one with Aion in his visionary initiation experience, in his imagination he was not only becoming a full participant in the mysteries of Mithras; he was experiencing a direct initiation into the most ancient of the mysteries of his Aryan ancestors."
"This is why it is so important for oligarchists to ensure that society’s only definition of “reason” is bounded by strict limitations of linear reductionist logic (typically some mixture of deductive/inductive logic). The suffocating constraints which this fallacious notion of “reason” imposes onto the mind, and the associated Kantian corollaries in the moral domain (of “forcing” good behaviour as categorical imperatives at best) results in a tyranny of reason from which victims of said conditioning must desire to free themselves."
"This liberation from false rigid reason via occultism and gnosis is a powerful recipe for Luciferianism."
"The psychiatrist who ran the CIA’s MK Ultra’s Psylocibin Project at Harvard carrying out psychological experiments on students using psychedelic drugs, was none other than Henry Murray, a disciple of Carl Jung for many years. CIA director Allen Dulles who initiated and oversaw the MK Ultra with its 1953 launch worked closely with Jung throughout World War II, and the Cold War."
Carl Jung: Gnostic High Priest
"In a 1912 letter to Freud, Carl Jung had himself described this revival of the gnostic mysteries as a replacement for Christianity saying:
“I think we must give it [referring to his new religion] time to infiltrate into people from many centers, to revivify among intellectuals a feeling for symbol and myth, ever so gently to transform Christ back into the soothsaying god of the vine, which he was, and in this way absorb those ecstatic instinctual forces of Christianity for the one purpose of making the cult and the sacred myth what they once were- a drunken feast of joy where man regained the ethos and holiness of an animal.”
"Jung was extremely clear of his devotion to the Mithraic secret doctrines of gnostic Christianity which he saw as the basis of a new global religion."
"The true actualized self, integrated with the subconscious shadows, was for Jung, liberated from all moral considerations, and like Crowley (or the Hellfire Club’s Francis Dashwood earlier) knew that “Do What Thou Wilt” was the whole of the Law."
Jung’s 7 Sermons to the Dead
"Jung’s devotion to Christian Gnosticism was demonstrated as early as 1916, when he channelled the 2nd century gnostic priest of
Alexandria named Basilides in his now famous ‘Seven Sermons to the Dead’.
In these sermons, Jung delivered seven gnostic sermons to the spirits of dead knights Templar saying “The dead came back from Jerusalem, where they found not what they sought. They prayed me let them in and besought my word, and thus I began my teaching.”
Jung tells the ghosts the story of creation and the fundamental essence of everything which he describes as ‘Pleroma’ saying:
“I begin with nothingness. Nothingness is the same as fullness. In infinity full is no better than empty. Nothingness is both empty and full. As well might ye say anything else of nothingness, as for instance, white is it, or black, or again, it is not, or it is. A thing that is infinite and eternal hath no qualities, since it hath all qualities... This nothingness or fullness we name the PLEROMA. Therein both thinking and being cease, since the eternal and infinite possess no qualities. In it no being is, for he then would be distinct from the pleroma, and would possess qualities which would distinguish him as something distinct from the pleroma.”
This fundamental nothingness which Jung describes as the essential purity of all to which all must desire to return is both All and nothing, and also both good and evil, and every other opposite saying:
“The qualities [of Pleroma] are pairs of opposites, such as: The Effective and the Ineffective, Fullness and Emptiness, Living and Dead, Difference and Sameness, Light and Darkness, The Hot and the Cold, Force and Matter, Time and Space, Good and Evil, Beauty and Ugliness, The One and the Many. etc.”
Throughout the seven sermons, Basilides (aka: Jung) declares the figure of Abraxas to be the whole integrated man which unites all opposites of good and evil saying:
“What the god-sun speaketh is life. What the devil speaketh is death. But Abraxas speaketh that hallowed and accursed word which is life and death at the same time. Abraxas begetteth truth and lying, good and evil, light and darkness, in the same word and in the same act. Wherefore is Abraxas terrible.”
Once actualizing Abraxas, Jung explains that man becomes “the creator and the destroyer of his own world.”
"More on this topic will be described in a future study on Jung’s Seven Sermons, but it suffices to say for the moment that Abraxas represents a pure recipe for driving a mind into insanity, fragmentation and echoes the type of thinking expressed by Lord Bertrand Russell who later called for a scientific dictatorship capable of convincing students that “snow is black”
"Carl Jung was not only the overseer of the gnostic revivalism through his acquisition and promotion of the Nag Hammadi scriptures, but was also a promoter of psychedelics evidenced by a 1955 lecture which begins with the guru saying he didn’t know the difference between LSD or mescalin. Within 10 minutes, Jung’s disingenuous nature came through when he said to his students:
“I can only hope that the doctors will feed themselves thoroughly with mescalin, the alkaloid of divine grace, so that they learn for themselves its marvellous effect.”
"Carl Jung soon took charge of the Eranos Conferences in Ascona, Switzerland in 1933, which had been set up by a nest of theosophists and Fabians with the mandate of creating a new spiritualism based on a synthesis of modern psychology, religion, philosophy and the occult.
The Eranos Conferences would inspire two followers of Aldous Huxley named Richard Price and Michael Murphy to create a new organization in America, called ‘The Esalen Institute’ in Big Sur California in 1962.
Jung’s intention to overthrow Christianity, establish a new gnostic religious order based on drugs, embrace of the shadow, and liberation from morality (with him as a high priest) was shared by fellow Ascona participant Aldous Huxley- MK Ultra guiding light, author of Doors of Perception, and Brave New World."
You too, Dingo. Jung is a joke. See above.
Welcome to science.
the $cience...
Virus is an older term when it actually meant bug. Our bodies are riddled with bugs. Ie parasites, that cause diseases. Look up Laura Rorher, The Rooeworm protocol.
Look up Kim paddock.
The pathology comes first; parasites ensue.
Analysing vitamins led to their synthesis, where the finished product bears little resemblance to the natural substance of which it is an analogue...It may even be toxic...
I think they are toxic. Search for the sds, safety data sheet on any vitamin and you will see the truth. Remember, the truth is out there for those who look. Those who don’t look or accept the lies suffer the consequences
Search “safety data sheet on vitamin d” for example, on any search engine. So many lab results displaying the truth.
this is what I have been wondering too. Even if the original vitamin exists (there is proof that large amounts of vitamin C can work wonders on some illnesses) how do we know that the synthetic is the same, or even near, to the original?
What has all this chemical medicine helped to make people healthy? Someone responded on another page, that people live way longer than, let's say, 100 years ago. True, but do you want to live to 100 demented and in a wheel chair? Mom lived like that the last 3 years of her life. As long as your are mobile and in good mind, I think everyone will want to live. But in these retirement homes filled with Altzheimer, demented and crippled people, I wonder how many would want to continue if they had a choice. (I am not propagating killing them like they recently started doing in Canada though).
Regarding life expectancy, have a read of this one:
https://substack.com/home/post/p-183777098
Talking about Victorian England:
"Bakers laced bread with alum and bone meal to stretch flour; brewers dosed beer with arsenic for froth; milkmen diluted cow’s milk with water, chalk, or even formaldehyde to mask spoilage. These practices exacted a huge public health toll, contributing to infant mortality rates as high as 150 per 1,000 live births in industrial cities like Manchester in the nineteenth century."
There was "sugar of lead" added to cider to sweeten it and lead used to seal bottles and casks. Further there were "vaccine" laws which resulted in a lot of child deaths see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_Act.
Also arsenic in wall paper (green) and paint. Surprising that any of our ancestors survived!!
that's a good illustration, and reminds me of what the current medical cartel is doing to us just to make lots of cash for their investors.
WOW no wonder people died young. I knew a few of these... like mask spoiled milk. Deleting is still done, what else is that watery milk without milk fat. Probably treated with chemicals as well. I only use cream!
And then combined with the poor hygiene 100 years ago!
thanks for the link !
And we are told it's because of vaccines.....
Get vaxxed or you are anti science! Greatest health invention ever.....
Vitamin D
"As long as your are mobile and in good mind, I think everyone will want to live."
Sure - in a society at least halfways sane. But with digital ID and everything coming out of that - well, I am not so sure.
With all this speculation out now about vitamins, germs, parasites or viruses being real or just labels being given a pattern of symptoms because money talks (big anything, including supplements), what if our health depends upon our relationship with our planet? And I am NOT talking about or asking whether vegetarianism or veganism is better. Remember herbivores eat plants and transform them into something that those higher on the food chain like us or wolves can use.
Earth and plants vibrate at a specific frequency and when the planet evolved, so do the plants and herbivores who consume these plants. Likewise those higher on the food chain will also evolve with the plants. This is why those preparing and eating the traditional way are healthier even though they eat saturated fats and red meat, the so called nutritional no-nos if you want to be healthy.
We have allowed industrial interests to mess with earth to such a point that toxicity is everywhere. What if what we call 'illness' isn't so much a germ or a parasite as it is a cleansing. Fevers kill invaders. Our skin is the biggest elimination organ in the body. What if itchy skin is the liver using the skin to expell toxins and the best management is to give the body what it needs and manage the Herxheimer reactions we call 'disease'?
In Chinese medicine, pathogens aren't the only invaders; weather is as well and they manage weather invasions, such as the common cold with the same protocol (different herbs and acupuncture points) as they do invasions which cause a febrile (fever) state. In other words management of energetic states (relationship with the planet).
GMO food, CAFO-raised herbivores, synthetic vitamins, pharmaceuticals, some supplement components (those added to prevent clumping) interfere with our relationship with the planet so that we are cut off from the planet, both spiritually and electrically, a state known as ungrounded do we don't real the benefits of what nature has to offer. Traditional methods preserve that energetic relationship so you don't get sick nor do you have to spend oodles of money to try and simulate what the planet gives you without charge IF you respect it.
Yes, this makes sense. It also could help explain the push over the last two decades to normalize body art and piercings which cannot be good for our largest organ.
Our bodies have evolved over the millennia to adapt to diets different from the caveman version of raw meat and a few plant materials (also unheated). The major advancement was cooking, and, long afterwards, discovery of grains and their entry into the human diet, first as the wild version, and then as being bred this way and that. And it also depends on what part of the earth your ancestors are from. There is no "tradition" (dietarily speaking) which can last forever. Our bodies do indeed move with the times.
Thanks eileen. To me; "relationship with the planet" represents relationship with all *energies* of biological forms we were born into. These energies are not "gods" nor chemical factors. We are/were a holistic dialog... We are/were exchange and balance within existence. The exchange is a profound silence... Best regards.
Vitamins, viruses, atoms, and climate-killing CO2 molecules are all conveniently invisible, happily for the controllers. We just have to believe what we're told:).
Appreciate the excellent expose! Coincidentally, I just finished Dewey B. Larson's book: The Case Against the Nuclear Atom (copyright 1963) (second printing 2024). Similar arguments about faulty models leading to numerous idiotic things defended by the silo that is modern physics, via those indoctrinated to forego questioning Rutherford's assumptions. Larson points out that the original argument based on the known characteristics of radioactivity are summarized as:
* Under certain conditions atoms disintegrate
* Electrons are found among the disintegrating products
*Therefore, electrons are constituents of atoms
He proceeds to write that: "At first glance this argument may seem sound, and in the formative years of the nuclear hypotheses it was accepted without question. Even today it is still orthodox doctrine. But the true status of the argument can be brought out clearly by stating the analogous argument concerning the photon.
* Under certain conditions atoms disintegrate
* Photons are found among the disintegrating products
* Nevertheless, photons are not constituents of atoms."
He writes: "Here we find that on the basis of exactly the same evidence, the physicist arrives at diametrically opposite conclusions. because preconceived ideas concerning the electron suggest that it could be an atomic constituent, the evidence from the disintegrations is accepted as proof that it is, whereas similar preconceived ideas concerning the photon suggest that it could not be an atomic constituent, and exactly the same evidence is therefore taken to mean that the photon was created in the process. Actually, of course, the physical evidence does not distinguish between these alternatives, nor does it preclude the possibility that some other explanation may be correct. What the evidence shows is that the electron either:
* was a constituent of the atom, or
* was preexisting within, but not a part of , the atom, or
* was derived from the surrounding space, or
* was created in the disintegration process, or
* originated from some combination of the foregoing, or
* had some other origin consistent with the evidence."
So vitamin supplements are pharmaceuticals. If you take a statin, be sure and supplement with CoQ10! And let us not forget the biologics correcting the “genetic” wrongs of needles. Being aware is a full-time job.
what is really in the powder called CoQ10? Most vitamins are industrial filth.
Combine a virus with a vitamin to get a virusamin! The next scientific frontier beckons! 😀
Materialistic science can only look at what is possible to take in with our senses or with instruments that inform our senses. Beyond that science has no knowledge or opinion. And since it can't go beyond matter to find answers, it fragments matter further and further into microscopic components, isolates them and tried to explain them away from the whole. It has always been the problem of science, of modern materialistic dogmatic science.
The problem of alternative science is its lack of funding to give scientists a chance to work together and explore different findings. So they are subject to the same fragmentation that materialism imposes - they work in isolation, each one discovering one or another piece of the puzzle, but not really knowing of each others work! So you have some discovering there is no such thing as a virus, while others continue explaining their own findings with viruses and germs because they did not get the memo.
This substack is putting together all kinds of different discoveries, debunking all kinds of deceptions and stupidity. And yet... a new science will only emerge when the way of doing science changes. Take out finance and state interests from it, make it truly independent, free up thought so people are not censored when they discover things that don't sit well with Big Industry and Big State. In other words, liberate science from the coercion of money and power and you will have a cornucopia of real discovery with real application to benefit us all. And while we are at it, we should also liberate our education system, the arts, the media... all those who are in charge of new ideas and the enrichment of truth in our lives. Ah, one can only dream...
No, they are all categories of similar chemicals and are not the same as in nature. NYT fact-check of RFK Jr claims on Fruit Loops artificial colors https://maha.shopping/f/nyt-fact-check-of-rfk-jr-claims-on-fruit-loops-artificial-colors Vitamins in foods are extracted with petro-chemicals or acids and are made synthetically as groups of chemicals. Your Vitamin C in foods and drinks comes from Black Mold, not Oranges. Citric Acid called MCA comes from GMO corn. Niacinamide, the main ingredient in Fireworks. Niacinamide causes Cancer. Vitamin D-D3 is Rat Poison. Reduced Iron, is metallic iron reduced by an acid! Soy Lecitin. GMO Poison... All Vitamins and Supplements are some kind of synthetic poison. Just Google your favorite 'vitamin' and add 'side effects'. https://nurembergtrials.net/nuremberg-2-0/f/codex-alementarious-synthetic-vitamins-gmo-removes-nutrients
It seems to me the ideal way to obtain nutrients is directly from food. I think the supplement industry is a brainwashing industry. The body is designed to metabolize food. The whole process is complex and finely tuned. There is no way human interference can mimic the intelligence of the body. Some people cannot absorb particular nutrients, so perhaps they can find relief from supplementation.
I guess the problem is that various nutrients (minerals, anyway, which are needed for vitamins to assimilate) are antagonistic to each other. A whole 'nother topic, maybe?
I enjoyed this article and your other articles.
I think the basic premise that you are conveying is that science is a belief system, that some things are unknowable due to all the alchemy required to achieve a result. And also that most of science can't be known empirically because it can take years to learn just a few basic facts, so we can't possibly verify personally even a small fraction of the science that exists. We need to trust that what science tells us is true, but we also know that during the past 50 years we've been flooded with corrupt health science whose only purpose is to assure corporate profitability.
I'm not too sure that amplifying a message of "evil vitamins" (aside from Vitamin A) isn't part of Big Pharma's current agenda. Once the government censorship apparatus started being partly dismantled, they needed a different way to maintain fear and uncertainty. That way is the Tower of Babel - support as many diametrically opposed narratives as possible, so that the average person will throw their hands up in the air and quit trying to make sense of anything.
If science is a belief system, my personal belief is that the correct way for me to formulate my belief system is to ignore most of the health science that has been created in the past 50 years. The exceptions would be independent researchers like Becker and Pollock, stuff produced by docs who've overcome health challenges that their peers couldn't solve (Tennant, Bergman, Berg, Mercola), and books by guys like Levy who do the deep dive and take the time to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Regarding "rob", any liquid back in those days would have been transported in barrels, possibly even old barrels used to transport things like rum or turpentine. Either the wood of the barrel, or traces of whatever had been in there before adding the citric juice, could reduce rob's acidity. So the problem with the early experiment could have been that there was no way at the time to avoid contaminating the rob - that nature's packaging was just more efficient at preserving what was inside than the manmade packaging in use at the time. Also, refrigeration may have been necessary for the rob to last for months during a typical ocean voyage, to prevent the rob from being oxidized. The same experiment today, with the rob being stored in inert glass containers and/or being refrigerated would likely produce different results.
The trouble is that few people today understand that glass bottles weren't machine produced until the 1890s, and that they were quite thick and heavy compared to today's bottles. Even hand blown glass bottles weren't produced in significant quantities until at least the 1870s. They might presume the rob was stored in bottles, when they didn't exist in quantity when the experiment was made, and that transporting a lot of tiny bottles vs a small number of large kegs would have added weight and required more storage space on an already cramped ship.
There's a mountain of evidence and experience that Vitamin C has massive beneficial effects. At this point, whether it is the active ingredient in citrus fruit that saved sailors from scurvy is immaterial. Large doses of C do some pretty spectacular things for the human body, and those are doses that would equate to bags of oranges per day. The argument over perfect analogs and natural-vs-manmade is utter nonsense.
Yes, our society and our science is massively ignorant. But somehow that ignorance still managed to find something remarkable in ascorbic acid. And someone was smart enough to realize that there's not enough citrus to extract all the ascorbic acid we need, so they figured out how to make it from vats of mold.
Making ascorbic acid/Vitamin C the poster child for explaining that science is a belief system probably isn't the best choice. It's something that actually works. It's something that actually greatly reduces our need to interact with a predatory healthcare system. I personally keep a year's supply on hand for when the global economy takes a nosedive later this year.
What kind of a silly argument is that, regarding rob? Heat kills vitamin C. And they cooked the crap out of it.
It's the kind of silly argument (logical fallacy) designed to make people question that there is any value at all in ascorbic acid. And that's because once you get adequate ascorbic acid on board (way more than the RDA) your need for regular doctor visits is vastly reduced. And if you don't see the doc, how can you get prescriptions-for-life? It blows up the whole medical pharming model.
So what the heck is Unbecoming trying to prove here? I've looked at the argument again, and it makes no sense. Does isolated vitamin C cure scurvy? I have never heard that it does not. Heat-killed rob does not cure scurvy.
Vitamin C was just an example. The overall concept, that we may not know what we all collectively think we know, is a great message.
We only “know” what we experience empirically. Everything else is simply a belief: a belief that what we are told about science, even that which has been corrupted to assure corporate profitability ($cience), is true. After all, science is $cience. At least phonetically.
When your worldview is shaped by what you believe, that’s a religion. So science is the new religion. A religion intended to exploit each of us as fodder for corporate profitability.
Once you understand that it is a religion and that it is being used to manipulate your behavior, you gain the capacity to avoid being manipulated.
If you are reasonably intelligent and open minded, that means you’ll like fare a bit better than the herd in general, by making your own decisions rather than following herd behavior.
Vitamin A was a great example: the inability to rectify things when a supposed nutrient turns out to be a toxin.
Admitting that the initial research was wrong and based upon incorrect assumptions undermines the primacy of science as the unassailable truth. If people don’t believe the religion, they won’t believe the priests who preach the beliefs.
The problem is that there is plenty of good science that is free of corporate bias. If we can’t distinguish science from $cience, we’ll end up throwing out the baby with the bathwater. And one of the babies could be ascorbic acid.
Scurvy is mostly a sea problem (as in, it only affected sailors), and wasn't known as a "land problem" until the Irish potato famine.
Plenty of people who subsist with traditional diets low (according to the science) in vitamin C do not really seem to have problems with scurvy. For example, boiling potatoes destroys the purported vitamin C content in them. So, um, how did the Irish survive on their diet of boiled and mashed potatoes then? It makes little sense. My son seems to survive well and he pretty eats pretty much nothing but meat and boiled potatoes.
So, when does scurvy occur? During an era when sailors drank liquids from barrels coated in the interior in turpentine-and-other-poison-laced pitch/pine tar and foods preserved using preservatives now known to be poisonous.
In short, there is essentially not a lot of evidence that "Vitamin C cures or prevents scurvy." Fresh non-poisoned food seems to do the job.
Actually, scurvy was known to occur regularly in sieges, where the inhabitants of a castle ran out of fresh food. More recently, scurvy broke out during the battle of Gallipoli when the supplies ran out and the supply lines were interrupted. It was also noted among the Indians in hard winter months.
When Lind gave 2 of his sick sailors oranges or lemons and they quickly recovered and helped with taking care of the others who remained sick... they were all eating and drinking the same stuff. (He then ran out of lemons and oranges and did not duplicate the trial.)
Here's a problem: how does anyone know it was scurvy in a medieval siege since the term was coined much later? Answer: they don't, it's someone going through records and pointing at something and saying, "Maybe it was scurvy."
Scurvy symptoms are the same as various poisoning symptoms, so saying, "It's scurvy!" is unwarranted since we don't really know. For example, eating the liver of certain animals can give you what science calls "retinoic acid poisoning" which - regardless if it's really due to retinoic acid - nevertheless can cause symptoms that are at times identical to scurvy. Even saying, "But they ate fresh food and got better" doesn't really prove it the VitC-"scurvy" connection. Maybe they just stopped eating poison.
Anyway, we all know you don't need vitamin C? Why, because there are people in past times - and today - who subsisted off diets low in vitamin C. For example, my son, who only eats meat and potatoes. (The potatoes purportedly lose their vitamin C if you boil or deep fat fry them).
Vitamin C can also increase oxidation in the body which may be hugely problematic depending on the health of the recipient. Studies show this and studies show that and peer review means nothing - it is still a synthetic substance created by the same PHarma owned chemical companies from who knows what.
What specific problems for which unhealthy people, and what specific studies? Sounds like Pharma fear mongering to me.
Oxidation is actually the key to reversing most chronic conditions. It's not the bogey man that Pharma made it out to be when they sold us all on antioxidants. Learn what Shallenberger has been doing with ozone, where he claims it helps about 80% of chronic conditions. Name a diet that comes close to that. Especially one that the average human can stick to.
Anyone who has experienced firsthand how IVC or oral C can improve health doesn't need studies or peer review. It's called empiricism - seeing is believing. If you have an acute health problem that can be quickly resolved with C, you won’t care if there is a possible vague long-term future negative health impact (though people have been using it for decades and no such fear has materialized).
klimer - since you sound sensible about supplements, i am wondering what your thoughts are about magnesium supplementation. (i avoid pills, with the exception of magnesium and sometimes chromium or manganese - and get most nutrients from food, herbs, spices, seaweed and the sun - plus grass-fed dairy for vit K & A. Also supplemental vit C from a healthforce powdered compound of acerola cherry extract, camu-camu and amla berry, but keep some ascorbic acid around just in case). but i recently got a magnesium powder and i wonder about just taking an obvious isolated chemical.
Magnesium is absolutely essential for anyone with a heart rhythm problem. I’ve tried a number of different types and combinations, but none really stand out as being better than the others.
A few years back I started having symptoms of heart failure and found Dr Sinatra’s protocol for reversing it with specific supplements: CoQ10, L-carnitine and mag. The mag in the formula I used was bisglycinate chelate.
It worked, and doesn’t seem to be a supplement-for-life kind of thing. Once you have enough of those things on board, your body seems to go back on autopilot, provided you don’t end up in another healing crisis for some reason.
After doing that, I started to take magnesium ozonide (SuperOxyflush) to find a solution to my spastic colon. That REALLY calmed my heart down! That, and some things I’m doing to clean out my liver, greatly improved my tolerance for caffeine. It also has improved my tolerance for alcohol, but I rarely drink anymore.
Magnesium can also help some people sleep.
Most people need more magnesium, but unless you are really depleted, I suspect any improvements in health will be hard to notice. But if you have heart palpitations, it will allow those to fade into the background in a big hurry.
Dr. Thomas Levy and Dr. Sircus have both written excellent books on magnesium. Sircus advocates soaking in magnesium chloride as the best way to get levels up quickly.
thanks very much for your comprehensive answer. i mainly take it for general health and (pre-emptive) heart health, to balance out my kefir calcium intake and especially if i am eating too much constipating food (like persimmons or anything astringent). interesting about soaking in Mg chloride - maybe it works better for magnesium absorption than Mg sulfate (epsom salts).
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Chloride is better absorbed than the Epsom. Good that you are balancing against the calcium. Mg and Na are antagonists, so having enough mg is a good idea.
Whatever techniques science uses to measure "vitamin" content in food have gotten us to this place in the Science:
https://www.cdc.gov/breastfeeding-special-circumstances/hcp/diet-micronutrients/vitamin-d.html
https://www.cdc.gov/breastfeeding-special-circumstances/hcp/diet-micronutrients/vitamin-k.html
Human breastmilk under NO CIRCUMSTANCES contains enough Vitamin D3 (which *IS* poison) and Vitamin K to sustain an infant, supposedly. This is ridiculous! Women "evolved" or were "created" lacking the ability to feed their own infants? It's totally preposterous and just means the science is wrong all around.