The clincher for me was when I raised the question in my own mind and could not arrive at a logical answer. Where was the Porta-Potty and how did the astronauts access it?
Crammed into a space capsule the size of a small car and zipped into space suits which required assistance to enter and exit, how did they survive days and days of "holding" it? It's not like they could just let the flap down and do their business. Either human biology had to be fundamentally altered for the duration of the trip or... Or, what?
Are you going to believe me or your own damn lying common sense?
I have a relative who works for NASA. Heads the current space suit technology effort in Texas . I tried to talk to him about it as it was interesting to me. He didn’t say much and seemed very uncomfortable. Of course he can’t say much. Think of all the money that could be stolen from us. Although I doubt he knows everything. Delays are baked in. I watched the entire American Moon film and have carefully saved it. Gobsmacked.
One inconvenient fact that is routinely ignored by the “colonize Mars” crowd is that mammals are unable to conceive in space. This has been studied since the early 1970s. Developmental neurobiologist Eliot Blass at Hopkins had an “interesting” research arm studying this issue, zero gravity fertility. Can’t do it even as of 2025. IVF fails. We are terrestial beings, our biology is tied to Earth. However, fooling the public into thinking we can colonize other planets makes the frivilous expenditures palatable. Great insight into the why of these deceptions: to justify money and then divert.
So don’t expect to conceive in space. Fuck all you want (this could actually be a selling point—“what happens in Space Vegas, stays in Space Vegas”), but wait until you’re planetside to conceive. Martianborn aren’t conceived on orbit (what OP meant by “in space”) but at the bottom of a gravity well—just not their parents’ gravity well.
“You can’t have greater technology in the past than in the future.”
While I absolutely believe that the moon landing was fake, I’m not so sure I believe that statement. I watched “A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon”. And Scarlett Johansson and Woody Harrelson were in a movie about how they faked the landing
I’ve read a bit about state fairs from decades ago that boggle my mind.
All the world’s a stage. 😔
It’s much easier to accept this fact when you know this world is not our home. 🙏🏻✝️
Well Laura, The evidence is quite clear that that there was high tech going way back. Levitation used in building the great structures we can't do today with our so called modern machines. Plasma to heal illness ( My wife and I use it today ) We live in the Stone Age of modernity and it has never been more apparent than now. What they give us here on the surface earth is nothing like they have underground and outer space. I am reading Mr. Sibrel's amazing book that reads like the most ridiculous conspiracy/spy novel I have ever read I do disagree with him in that I believe they have been to the moon and beyond and for a long time now ,just not with the Flintstone technology they claim. I do however regard Mr. Sibrel as a one of the smartest and bravest people I have ever read about and would give anything to meet him in person.
The situation is worse than that! all the space stuff is fake. NASA, the international space station fake X and certainly Jeff Bezos CGI penis rocket. There were over 200 photographs taken of the construction of the titanic and the statue of liberty. This was in an arrow when photography was not just inconvenient and time-consuming it was very expensive and they documented the construction of each one of these things with over 200 photographs, there is not one photograph nor video of the alleged construction of the international space station, even on masses official website. Do you think they would not document such a feat? Do you think they would not be proud of that documentation and paste it everywhere. The international space station is a forest and does not exist , only a mockup of it in Houston. When do they ever show us real video of anything in alleged outer space. It is always CGI and before that the planets were beautiful paintings but never a real photograph. Something to think about.
I came to the same conclusion as well. I started with faking the moon landings and this led me to the fact they fake space as well. You can find videos of these clowns dropping items in “space” and gravity takes over rather than it floating freely. And I love it when you see their wire harnesses they use to do flips while in so called space. Their adjacent astronot will grab the wire to stabilize them when they finish the flip.
Remember that “Chinese” balloon fiasco from 2-3 years ago? We ended up shooting it down. That’s what satellites are and this one just had a problem and lowered greatly in altitude.
I also found out we film Mars on Devon Island, Canada using a red lens filter.
Yes, all correct. The guys over at “space busters “do a very good job of this with their vids . You might want to dig even deeper and look into the flat motionless earth😁
I’m aware and don’t believe the spinning ball lie either. The moon fake led me to fake space and that accidentally led me to the flat plane. Everything is a lie.
Good grief - Speaking as an engineer. Seems pseudo-scientists like Bart obviously hated math and physics at high school. It's amazing us humans got out of the caves. Obviously there were enough brave, inquisitive souls like me about back then who made and fixed things others couldn't comprehend. p.s. The apollo project also designed and built the very first semi-conductor based computer, which kick-started the PC revolution advancing us several decades, without which we likely wouldn't be chatting on this website today using small, cheap tech. We'd still be using telephones and ham radio which is where my tech journey started long ago in the 60s.
"Was the Apollo program a mechanism for creating black budgets — money that could be funneled into projects that couldn’t be publicly acknowledged?"
A key question!
With regard to the silence from Russia and China, I would suggest that this is because those two countries, despite appearances, are in fact run by the same globalist mafia that controls the USA, UK, France, Australia, etc...
While I agree with his statement that the government is run by criminals, I also believe that the fact that we are able to talk about it when just a few years ago we were not allowed to say that covid is the flu renamed does suggest that forces in the government that want truth telling are gaining more and more influence within the government and that the criminals running the world are losing ground.
To understand more of what is going on, one has to understand that your reality is your perception. Who creates that reality? Hmm, media and "science" are big influencers, experts, who are the gatekeepers of the reality perception, Hollywood with its sometimes fake news broadcasts. What if you broke the spell and notice the shifts that happen as a result: articles from respected medical journals all of a sudden show up as faked with cherry picked data points, experts with no practical experience, all the green screens we see in the news media. Then it becomes clear that the government has lied about health (HHS Secretary now exposing the lies of that cartel), the government has lied about space, the government has lied about the environment.
Space is by far the most interesting. If you look at the military technology that was used to extract Maduro, you will notice that a lot appeared to be far superior than what we have been led to believe we possess. I believe we did not go to the moon like this movie documents. I don't believe money or blackmail is why. There are bases on the moon. The fake moon landing is a cover up, just like the JFK assassination or the Gulf of Tonkin. Why the coverup? The US was (at least until Trump's first term) in cahoots with some ET species who wanted to exploit this planet and the human race. This has been going on since Biblical days. Take the Old Testament literally as both Paul Wallis and Mauro Biglino say to and you will see that they saw beings with space crafts (kavod) or chariots with beings in them. Or Exekiel's description in his book that NASA (?) took and patented.
Both of these authors are Hebrew scholars and did go back to the ancient records and notice similarities between the Old Testament and the Sumerian texts who also document a flood as in Noah. And these texts were far more open about the presence of beings that were not human and the vessels in which they traveled.
If reality is your perception, change your perception and all.of a sudden these so-called conspiracy theories become mostly true, including the faked moon landing, and the covid scam. The motivation is less clear but you will be in a much better position to discern than if you let the media dictate to you what is fact.
Just remember the only reason we are able to talk about CONvid now is the damage has already been done. Until these types of operations are complete then truth telling gets censored. The depopulation and health destroying jabs have done their damage as designed. So this perceived truth telling is now allowed. There is no one in power at the governmental level and above them who pull their strings who is on our side and wants any sort of truth to come out. If there are then they don’t get installed into a position of power or are quickly removed.
I agree the Moon Landings "as presented" are fake but that doesn't mean the technology to do so doesn't exist. It could be the true nature of outer space is vastly different than what we're told. All of these debates always assume that NASA is telling us the truth about outer space- but if something like the Electric Universe is true then that's obviously not the case. We don't even know if the Van Allen belts are real or not or if the laws of physics as we know them truly extend beyond the earth.
This site is interesting because it claims satellites and one-way trips are real but anything that involves a "landing" is fake because we can't return from outer space.
I used to be fascinated by this stuff but now regard it as a waste of time since we're simply not going to find out the truth unless someone can independently go into space. We already have a pseudo-One World government so other nations certainly aren't going to "spill the beans".
The Van Allen Belts STILL are present circling the earth. These are powerful deterrents to any space travel whatsoever.
The Van Allen belts are two doughnut-shaped zones of highly energetic charged particles that surround Earth, held in place by the planet's magnetic field. They are primarily composed of protons and electrons, originating from the solar wind and cosmic rays, and were discovered in 1958 by physicist James Van Allen.
Yes, they exist, but the debate is around how dangerous they are to humans. Evidence tells us they are certainly not life-threatening since there is some shielding in the capsule, although conspiracy types here with little knowledge of science and physics will disagree - like those who say we never got to the moon.
As a retired engineer who knows the electronics and comms tech very well, I can tell you they certainly did get to the moon and for me is very easy to prove. However if you hated physics and maths at high school, it would be a challenge to explain it.
Retired radio/electronics engineer here. Although many of the points here appear logical and coherent, I'd like to add another verifiable 'truth' very few would be aware of or understand.
Firstly, from a radio communications and electronics perspective, the technology employed here on earth and within Apollo 11 and subsequent spacecrafts was technically capable of providing all communications from earth to the moon, including the TV camera feeds. That's a fact.
Examination of the physical technology tells me that, without a shadow of a doubt. I can do all the required math around path loss, frequencies used, size of antennas, power available, and clearly understand the workings of ALL the parts used too and how they operate. That means the technology was very capable and could have done what was asked for a trip to the moon
But obviously, I cannot conclude that they definitely landed on the moon. Maybe they did, maybe they did not. Perhaps they failed to actually land and did a Hollywood job. But, I can 100% conclude, without any doubt whatsoever, that the tech they had could do the job, including the phone call from the astronauts, to the President of the US. Technically, all possible at the time.
One of dozens of geeky videos us old engineers love, where we recall all the crude hardware and software we all had to use, back in the 60s and 70s although tech built for NASA was custom-made, but the individual components and tech known and understood by top flight engineers and technicians like me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v49ucdZcx9s
Note there's 250k subscribers to this 'old tech' channel. Thousands of them would likely share my perspective. My inconvenient truth for you all to ponder over.
Freemasonry helped maintain secrecy. Young scientists joining Nasa were offered to be able to avoid being drafted if they joined freemasonry, so they knew they wouldnt have to serve in Vietnam. Since the draft wasnt ongoing during the whole Vietnam war I guess it means such an offer might have come when the draft was ongoing. On the other hand everybody understood that it could happen later so it would be a valuable precaution. I dont know when that offer came, but it explains how the secret could be protected. The astronauts were freemasons and the punishment for betrayal within freemasonry is death. Something illustrated by what happened to the outspoken critics who were burned alive in their capsule on the ground. And there were more deaths.
.
A russian webbsite told the story of one of the exiled scientists in the paperclip group who was recruited to handle the secrecy surrounding the shaft of the capsules both for the Gemini and Apollo projects. A single former member of Germany's Penemunde base handled the discreet maneuver when the astronauts were helped to slip out through the shaft and could be evacuated to the shelter under the launch platform while the rocket launch continued with the empty capsule.
.
It is possible that the US elite, knowing they had excellent electronic products to offer as bribes to the USSR, actually deliberately let the Soviets catch Apollo13 out of the sea bringing that trophy back to the USSR. Where the US came and fetched it later. Nixon in 1972 signed an incredibly generous offer that the Soviets would be able to obtain all the products and Services they desired. Some of the JBS members resigned in protest when they later saw that document in the JBS journal in 1985. But it wasnt really treason. It was a clever move that avoided WW3. And that made the Soviet intelligentia realise that their system had to be changed. I believe that is the reason why the period under Gorbachev had to come. It is no surprise that influential insiders in the USSR would never be very outspoken about it. It was a way to capitulate without having to lose face.
Kaysing never worked directly for NASA. He was an English literature and writing major who was hired by a contracting company with NASA, among other companies, to be a technical writer. I know who the technical writers are in companies like these and trust me, they have extremely limited tasks and knowledge and usually work as a part of very large departments with hundreds of other technical writers, all on lower tier pay scales and knowledge clearances. I have worked for companies like this.
The source for the Elon Musk statement regarding the Apollo landing had long been proven as a deep fake, and Elon Musk had always verified the moon landing to be real.
If Kaysing's wild imagination is the foundation for Sibrel's perspective and film, I'll pass.
In item #six it says that Top Secret means that the owner will lie to their wife, family, community, everyone when told to. This is similar to the (1920s?) elitist Parushim secret society headed by Jewish US Supreme Court justice Louie Brandeis, where members (like Frankfurter) took an oath like the Omerta of the mafia where they promise under penalty of death to do whatever the society wanted over family, community, country, everything. This is nothing new. It is just deceitful people doing what they do.
there have been flyby's recently. Have any of those been able to photograph the junk our moon landings left behind? How about the Hubble telescope, does it have enough resolution to photograph the places where we supposedly landed? Seems like this controversy could be cleared up with photos from either the Hubble or from the recently flyby's and orbitals of the moon, no?
from AI: India's Chandrayaan-2 and South Korea's Danuri orbiter have captured images showing the Apollo landing sites and the equipment left on the Moon's surface.
At this point, they can fake anything. Do you think they could use ChatGPT or Gemini to fake an entire AI landing on the moon today? No that might cost a couple hundred dollars these days. Of course Elon would have to be in on it. And I’m sure Elon would never do anything dishonest or unethical.
The clincher for me was when I raised the question in my own mind and could not arrive at a logical answer. Where was the Porta-Potty and how did the astronauts access it?
Crammed into a space capsule the size of a small car and zipped into space suits which required assistance to enter and exit, how did they survive days and days of "holding" it? It's not like they could just let the flap down and do their business. Either human biology had to be fundamentally altered for the duration of the trip or... Or, what?
Are you going to believe me or your own damn lying common sense?
I have a relative who works for NASA. Heads the current space suit technology effort in Texas . I tried to talk to him about it as it was interesting to me. He didn’t say much and seemed very uncomfortable. Of course he can’t say much. Think of all the money that could be stolen from us. Although I doubt he knows everything. Delays are baked in. I watched the entire American Moon film and have carefully saved it. Gobsmacked.
Ask him how they handled bathroom breaks. I'd like to know his response.
They had to watch re-runs of the SNL sketch "Oops! I crapped my pants!"
i bet space flight could make you pretty constipated ( ;
Cathaters?
Also the very real danger of say just a little bit of poop or something getting into the air. Maybe they wore Covid style masks.
One inconvenient fact that is routinely ignored by the “colonize Mars” crowd is that mammals are unable to conceive in space. This has been studied since the early 1970s. Developmental neurobiologist Eliot Blass at Hopkins had an “interesting” research arm studying this issue, zero gravity fertility. Can’t do it even as of 2025. IVF fails. We are terrestial beings, our biology is tied to Earth. However, fooling the public into thinking we can colonize other planets makes the frivilous expenditures palatable. Great insight into the why of these deceptions: to justify money and then divert.
So don’t expect to conceive in space. Fuck all you want (this could actually be a selling point—“what happens in Space Vegas, stays in Space Vegas”), but wait until you’re planetside to conceive. Martianborn aren’t conceived on orbit (what OP meant by “in space”) but at the bottom of a gravity well—just not their parents’ gravity well.
“You can’t have greater technology in the past than in the future.”
While I absolutely believe that the moon landing was fake, I’m not so sure I believe that statement. I watched “A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon”. And Scarlett Johansson and Woody Harrelson were in a movie about how they faked the landing
I’ve read a bit about state fairs from decades ago that boggle my mind.
All the world’s a stage. 😔
It’s much easier to accept this fact when you know this world is not our home. 🙏🏻✝️
Beautifully said Laura , this world is not our home . 🙏
Agree, this world is not our home. We don’t long for heaven enough 🤍
Well Laura, The evidence is quite clear that that there was high tech going way back. Levitation used in building the great structures we can't do today with our so called modern machines. Plasma to heal illness ( My wife and I use it today ) We live in the Stone Age of modernity and it has never been more apparent than now. What they give us here on the surface earth is nothing like they have underground and outer space. I am reading Mr. Sibrel's amazing book that reads like the most ridiculous conspiracy/spy novel I have ever read I do disagree with him in that I believe they have been to the moon and beyond and for a long time now ,just not with the Flintstone technology they claim. I do however regard Mr. Sibrel as a one of the smartest and bravest people I have ever read about and would give anything to meet him in person.
Greek fire
Pyramids
Vimanas
OOParts generally
The situation is worse than that! all the space stuff is fake. NASA, the international space station fake X and certainly Jeff Bezos CGI penis rocket. There were over 200 photographs taken of the construction of the titanic and the statue of liberty. This was in an arrow when photography was not just inconvenient and time-consuming it was very expensive and they documented the construction of each one of these things with over 200 photographs, there is not one photograph nor video of the alleged construction of the international space station, even on masses official website. Do you think they would not document such a feat? Do you think they would not be proud of that documentation and paste it everywhere. The international space station is a forest and does not exist , only a mockup of it in Houston. When do they ever show us real video of anything in alleged outer space. It is always CGI and before that the planets were beautiful paintings but never a real photograph. Something to think about.
I came to the same conclusion as well. I started with faking the moon landings and this led me to the fact they fake space as well. You can find videos of these clowns dropping items in “space” and gravity takes over rather than it floating freely. And I love it when you see their wire harnesses they use to do flips while in so called space. Their adjacent astronot will grab the wire to stabilize them when they finish the flip.
Remember that “Chinese” balloon fiasco from 2-3 years ago? We ended up shooting it down. That’s what satellites are and this one just had a problem and lowered greatly in altitude.
I also found out we film Mars on Devon Island, Canada using a red lens filter.
Yes, all correct. The guys over at “space busters “do a very good job of this with their vids . You might want to dig even deeper and look into the flat motionless earth😁
I’m aware and don’t believe the spinning ball lie either. The moon fake led me to fake space and that accidentally led me to the flat plane. Everything is a lie.
Sadly, it is a lie, that and allopathic medicine
Bart has done a heroic job exposing the Nasa fraud.
His interviews and exchanges with the Astro-Nots are legend and pretty hilarious.
TRUTHER JOURNEY FT ISS, NASA, MOON & SPACEX HOAX + PLANET CHORIZO August 8, 2022 https://nurembergtrials.net/nuremberg-2-0/f/truther-journey-ft-nasa-iss-moon-space-hoax-planet-chorizo Debunking Einstein Part 7 by Chris Edwards ft God vs The Big Bang January 10, 2025 https://teslaleaks.com/f/debunking-einstein-part-7-by-chris-edwards-ft-god-vs-evolution
Good grief - Speaking as an engineer. Seems pseudo-scientists like Bart obviously hated math and physics at high school. It's amazing us humans got out of the caves. Obviously there were enough brave, inquisitive souls like me about back then who made and fixed things others couldn't comprehend. p.s. The apollo project also designed and built the very first semi-conductor based computer, which kick-started the PC revolution advancing us several decades, without which we likely wouldn't be chatting on this website today using small, cheap tech. We'd still be using telephones and ham radio which is where my tech journey started long ago in the 60s.
So easy to go with 1969 vac tube tech that no one ever went back. Fairy tale for gullible morons.
Unbekoming - Thanks! Great interview.
"Was the Apollo program a mechanism for creating black budgets — money that could be funneled into projects that couldn’t be publicly acknowledged?"
A key question!
With regard to the silence from Russia and China, I would suggest that this is because those two countries, despite appearances, are in fact run by the same globalist mafia that controls the USA, UK, France, Australia, etc...
While I agree with his statement that the government is run by criminals, I also believe that the fact that we are able to talk about it when just a few years ago we were not allowed to say that covid is the flu renamed does suggest that forces in the government that want truth telling are gaining more and more influence within the government and that the criminals running the world are losing ground.
To understand more of what is going on, one has to understand that your reality is your perception. Who creates that reality? Hmm, media and "science" are big influencers, experts, who are the gatekeepers of the reality perception, Hollywood with its sometimes fake news broadcasts. What if you broke the spell and notice the shifts that happen as a result: articles from respected medical journals all of a sudden show up as faked with cherry picked data points, experts with no practical experience, all the green screens we see in the news media. Then it becomes clear that the government has lied about health (HHS Secretary now exposing the lies of that cartel), the government has lied about space, the government has lied about the environment.
Space is by far the most interesting. If you look at the military technology that was used to extract Maduro, you will notice that a lot appeared to be far superior than what we have been led to believe we possess. I believe we did not go to the moon like this movie documents. I don't believe money or blackmail is why. There are bases on the moon. The fake moon landing is a cover up, just like the JFK assassination or the Gulf of Tonkin. Why the coverup? The US was (at least until Trump's first term) in cahoots with some ET species who wanted to exploit this planet and the human race. This has been going on since Biblical days. Take the Old Testament literally as both Paul Wallis and Mauro Biglino say to and you will see that they saw beings with space crafts (kavod) or chariots with beings in them. Or Exekiel's description in his book that NASA (?) took and patented.
Both of these authors are Hebrew scholars and did go back to the ancient records and notice similarities between the Old Testament and the Sumerian texts who also document a flood as in Noah. And these texts were far more open about the presence of beings that were not human and the vessels in which they traveled.
If reality is your perception, change your perception and all.of a sudden these so-called conspiracy theories become mostly true, including the faked moon landing, and the covid scam. The motivation is less clear but you will be in a much better position to discern than if you let the media dictate to you what is fact.
Just remember the only reason we are able to talk about CONvid now is the damage has already been done. Until these types of operations are complete then truth telling gets censored. The depopulation and health destroying jabs have done their damage as designed. So this perceived truth telling is now allowed. There is no one in power at the governmental level and above them who pull their strings who is on our side and wants any sort of truth to come out. If there are then they don’t get installed into a position of power or are quickly removed.
TRUTHER JOURNEY FT ISS, NASA, MOON & SPACEX HOAX + PLANET CHORIZO August 8, 2022 https://nurembergtrials.net/nuremberg-2-0/f/truther-journey-ft-nasa-iss-moon-space-hoax-planet-chorizo Debunking Einstein Part 7 by Chris Edwards ft God vs The Big Bang January 10, 2025 https://teslaleaks.com/f/debunking-einstein-part-7-by-chris-edwards-ft-god-vs-evolution
I agree the Moon Landings "as presented" are fake but that doesn't mean the technology to do so doesn't exist. It could be the true nature of outer space is vastly different than what we're told. All of these debates always assume that NASA is telling us the truth about outer space- but if something like the Electric Universe is true then that's obviously not the case. We don't even know if the Van Allen belts are real or not or if the laws of physics as we know them truly extend beyond the earth.
This site is interesting because it claims satellites and one-way trips are real but anything that involves a "landing" is fake because we can't return from outer space.
https://www.heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm
I used to be fascinated by this stuff but now regard it as a waste of time since we're simply not going to find out the truth unless someone can independently go into space. We already have a pseudo-One World government so other nations certainly aren't going to "spill the beans".
The Van Allen Belts STILL are present circling the earth. These are powerful deterrents to any space travel whatsoever.
The Van Allen belts are two doughnut-shaped zones of highly energetic charged particles that surround Earth, held in place by the planet's magnetic field. They are primarily composed of protons and electrons, originating from the solar wind and cosmic rays, and were discovered in 1958 by physicist James Van Allen.
Yes, they exist, but the debate is around how dangerous they are to humans. Evidence tells us they are certainly not life-threatening since there is some shielding in the capsule, although conspiracy types here with little knowledge of science and physics will disagree - like those who say we never got to the moon.
As a retired engineer who knows the electronics and comms tech very well, I can tell you they certainly did get to the moon and for me is very easy to prove. However if you hated physics and maths at high school, it would be a challenge to explain it.
Retired radio/electronics engineer here. Although many of the points here appear logical and coherent, I'd like to add another verifiable 'truth' very few would be aware of or understand.
Firstly, from a radio communications and electronics perspective, the technology employed here on earth and within Apollo 11 and subsequent spacecrafts was technically capable of providing all communications from earth to the moon, including the TV camera feeds. That's a fact.
Examination of the physical technology tells me that, without a shadow of a doubt. I can do all the required math around path loss, frequencies used, size of antennas, power available, and clearly understand the workings of ALL the parts used too and how they operate. That means the technology was very capable and could have done what was asked for a trip to the moon
But obviously, I cannot conclude that they definitely landed on the moon. Maybe they did, maybe they did not. Perhaps they failed to actually land and did a Hollywood job. But, I can 100% conclude, without any doubt whatsoever, that the tech they had could do the job, including the phone call from the astronauts, to the President of the US. Technically, all possible at the time.
One of dozens of geeky videos us old engineers love, where we recall all the crude hardware and software we all had to use, back in the 60s and 70s although tech built for NASA was custom-made, but the individual components and tech known and understood by top flight engineers and technicians like me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v49ucdZcx9s
Note there's 250k subscribers to this 'old tech' channel. Thousands of them would likely share my perspective. My inconvenient truth for you all to ponder over.
Freemasonry helped maintain secrecy. Young scientists joining Nasa were offered to be able to avoid being drafted if they joined freemasonry, so they knew they wouldnt have to serve in Vietnam. Since the draft wasnt ongoing during the whole Vietnam war I guess it means such an offer might have come when the draft was ongoing. On the other hand everybody understood that it could happen later so it would be a valuable precaution. I dont know when that offer came, but it explains how the secret could be protected. The astronauts were freemasons and the punishment for betrayal within freemasonry is death. Something illustrated by what happened to the outspoken critics who were burned alive in their capsule on the ground. And there were more deaths.
.
A russian webbsite told the story of one of the exiled scientists in the paperclip group who was recruited to handle the secrecy surrounding the shaft of the capsules both for the Gemini and Apollo projects. A single former member of Germany's Penemunde base handled the discreet maneuver when the astronauts were helped to slip out through the shaft and could be evacuated to the shelter under the launch platform while the rocket launch continued with the empty capsule.
.
It is possible that the US elite, knowing they had excellent electronic products to offer as bribes to the USSR, actually deliberately let the Soviets catch Apollo13 out of the sea bringing that trophy back to the USSR. Where the US came and fetched it later. Nixon in 1972 signed an incredibly generous offer that the Soviets would be able to obtain all the products and Services they desired. Some of the JBS members resigned in protest when they later saw that document in the JBS journal in 1985. But it wasnt really treason. It was a clever move that avoided WW3. And that made the Soviet intelligentia realise that their system had to be changed. I believe that is the reason why the period under Gorbachev had to come. It is no surprise that influential insiders in the USSR would never be very outspoken about it. It was a way to capitulate without having to lose face.
Kaysing never worked directly for NASA. He was an English literature and writing major who was hired by a contracting company with NASA, among other companies, to be a technical writer. I know who the technical writers are in companies like these and trust me, they have extremely limited tasks and knowledge and usually work as a part of very large departments with hundreds of other technical writers, all on lower tier pay scales and knowledge clearances. I have worked for companies like this.
The source for the Elon Musk statement regarding the Apollo landing had long been proven as a deep fake, and Elon Musk had always verified the moon landing to be real.
If Kaysing's wild imagination is the foundation for Sibrel's perspective and film, I'll pass.
Great interview
In item #six it says that Top Secret means that the owner will lie to their wife, family, community, everyone when told to. This is similar to the (1920s?) elitist Parushim secret society headed by Jewish US Supreme Court justice Louie Brandeis, where members (like Frankfurter) took an oath like the Omerta of the mafia where they promise under penalty of death to do whatever the society wanted over family, community, country, everything. This is nothing new. It is just deceitful people doing what they do.
We Never Went to the Moon Interview with Bill Kaysing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmBeDFkg1Fw
there have been flyby's recently. Have any of those been able to photograph the junk our moon landings left behind? How about the Hubble telescope, does it have enough resolution to photograph the places where we supposedly landed? Seems like this controversy could be cleared up with photos from either the Hubble or from the recently flyby's and orbitals of the moon, no?
from AI: India's Chandrayaan-2 and South Korea's Danuri orbiter have captured images showing the Apollo landing sites and the equipment left on the Moon's surface.
At this point, they can fake anything. Do you think they could use ChatGPT or Gemini to fake an entire AI landing on the moon today? No that might cost a couple hundred dollars these days. Of course Elon would have to be in on it. And I’m sure Elon would never do anything dishonest or unethical.
ha ha
AI is just “garbage in, garbage out.” All AI knows is what is available and if the truth is not available, AI will give you what is.