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..."Herbert Shelton documented that humans cannot digest rock minerals — only minerals that have passed through plants are bioavailable.¹³ Synthetic supplements are industrial chemicals produced by processing rocks with acids.¹⁴ The body treats them accordingly."...BINGO! Not only are the drugs devastating the body's natural functions, but the chemical supplements that are not the same as what is found in foods...or from sunbathing.

This article is close to describing my wife's bone troubles. A DEXA scan, than 5-6 years on Prolia and then six fractured vertebra. These doctors are worthless. The same doctor prescribed pain drugs for the pain in her back and they made her quit eating. They messed up her metabolism and gut structure. Now, she is skinny as a rail and cannot gain any weight back. The doctors says to eat more ice cream.

Di Chez's avatar

This makes me want to cry! Eat more ice cream?! My homeopathic MD says no one should eat store bought dairy EVER! It's cooked to the point there's nothing nutritious about it. If I eat ice cream (due to all the HFCS they are ALL full of) I puke it up immediately! Like I won't toss up ANYTHING else I ate before it, but I'll dry heave until last itty bitty drop is out! It's just NOT worth it! My husband and good friend take Native Path Collagen. 1 scoop in coffee or even water every morning. You CAN NOT taste it! AT ALL! I just, unfortunately, cannot digest or breakdown protein. I've known it since my early 30's. I took enzymes for a while then read an article it was like Exlax...it would teach my body to not digest on my own. 🤦‍♀️ My homeopathic MD said it's exactly the opposite. So now I'm 2 years in to a 3-5 year process. I have to take one every time I eat anything. Doctors are worthless comment...barely scratches that surface! They are trained in Big Harma funded colleges to treat symptoms with their nasty drugs, because there's no money in cures!!! I'm sorry you're both going through this! God bless 🙏

Jan's avatar
Mar 11Edited

So you DO use digestive enzymes now? I got all screwed up metabolically by going low carb too long and now trying to correct it. Messed up digestion. I use Great Lakes collagen . Can’t taste it. I’m ok. I looked up Prolia because I was sure a doc was going to recommend it at some point but I just don’t go in for dexa scans and don’t frequent conventional docs. My functional med doc hasn’t recommended one either. I do crush pasture raised eggshells to a powder with a coffee grinder then throw back about 1/2 to 1 t with water. I’m thinking that may be ok and I take K2-4 combined with D3. Walk all the time and my big 2 story’s staircases w basement steps are used all day long. I have started an upper body/core exercise class. I’ll be 78 this year and not going out without a fight. 🤔😊. I like a scoop of Hagen daz vanilla bean now and then. I’m not sure if I should share the Prolia info with my friend. She doesn’t really appreciate info like that. It wasn’t hard to find the truth so this is on her.

Jan's avatar

My friend takes Prolia with an osteoporosis diagnosis. He also supposedly tells her she is not allowed to go outside at all if it is snow or ice. So she doesn’t. She won’t even accept rides because she expects all sidewalks to be completely dry and clear. In northern Illinois that ain’t happening. No steps, etc. YET, she JOGS most days. My doc years ago after telling me I had osteopenia said not to jog. Walk only. When I jogged as a young woman, I fell several times, once just hitting a small pebble wrong. Prolia is bad stuff. Many law suits percolating out there. So sorry about your wife. Doctors are worthless for sure. Of course they get no nutritional training either.

ShieldMaiden's avatar

I never was duped into the pharma 'solution' (read: serious health risk) for post menapausal women. High animal protein, animal fats and BONE BROTH every day, plus strength training -- strong muscles make for strong bones.

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

A friend told me last year that her doctor's office had invited her to do a bone density test. She immediately responded: so the doc can prescribe me some more meds? The nurse reluctantly admitted. This friend is a tiny framed woman but strong as an ox!

ShieldMaiden's avatar

Good for your friend! I still load and off-load 50 pound sacks of grain at 68. Except for emergency surgery required to save life or body parts, I stay away from all 'doctors'.

Margaret Gallagher's avatar

Vitamin K2 is the traffic cop that directs the calcium into the bones and away from the arteries. I always take it alongside D3. And zinc.

Jan's avatar
Mar 11Edited

I was on keto too long. Eventually it becomes a very low calorie and nutrient insufficient diet. Starving causes the metabolism to slow and remove nutrients from the rest of the body, hence my 2 surgeries for broken bones. I’ve been healing and eating a whole, foods diet with much more food. Why does this post not mention K2? I do take K2-7 which is the bone K2. K2-4 for cardiovascular. Or at least that’s what I understand. I take a grass fed bovine collagen powder. I have trouble with bone broth and taste, especially what I have made myself with various recipes. My friend gets an injection of something called Prolia which is just as bad as Boniva and the rest. Denser bones, but more brittle. She’s convinced it is the best thing. But is still so scared she might fall she takes no risks at all. Her life in the winter is very home bound.

Margaret Gallagher's avatar

It is so important to inform ourselves about our own health and nutrition. Doctors know almost nothing about nutrition - it has been deliberately kept out of their training, alongside anything currently considered 'alternative'. One of the other things I've learned in my travels, as an older woman taking personal responsibility for her own health, is that the right kind of exercise is also important for building bone density, with a side benefit of fall prevention. First book I read on it was 'Strong Women, Strong Bones' which was written after a lot of active research was done by Tufts University, with older women - including women into their 90s.. It was a revelation.

Jan's avatar

Yup. Been a contrarian for decades. My 54 yo daughter was an Adele Davis baby. But now she is in medical field and believes it all, including the Covid jabs. Sad.

PhilH's avatar

I’m in the same boat.

sue's avatar

Yes I was surprised no mention of K.

Di Chez's avatar

This article scared the fire out of me. 1 I love coffee...ALOT of coffee. I don't drink soda, etc though. I drink tons of coffee, reverse osmosis water, and San Pelligrino. 2 I can't do alot of protein. I eat alot of our fresh chicken eggs, but I did one little scoop of collagen in my coffee for over a year and was the biggest I'd ever been in my life outside of being pregnant! I am on enzymes to digest/breakdown protein now though. My homeopathic MD said it'd take 3-5 of them heal me. I'm on year 2! Now I will say...my hair and skin felt GREAT, but when you go from a size 4-6 to 8-10 every joint (especially past injuries) hurt so bad!!! I almost had an ankle joint fused! Then it hit me...the ONLY thing I'm doing differently is Native Path Collagen! I quit and weight started coming off and after a 35 pound weight loss my ankle joint injury went back to the "normal" pain...not debilitating all day every day can't live with it anymore pain! So in all that...is bone broth different?! Are eggs good enough protein? I do eat meat at times. I love chicken and turkey. I love our farm fresh ground beef. Some steak occasionally doesn't bother me. Roast or brisket no matter what gives me acid reflux and just sits on my gut like a brick! PS I LOVE what you said about soil, etc! I've said many times to people, "So we raise our own unvaccinated/no antibiotics meat/chickens, we grow vegetables every summer, we try to eat good...but when the government is HEAVILY spraying us day in day out with Lord knows what and diminishing the sun...are we THAT much healthier?!" I can attest it sure doesn't feel like it some days. However, I will say if we get busy and eat out a couple times in a week my IBS-C lets me know I SCREWED UP ROYALY! Unbekoming I cherish your articles! I need to become a paid subscriber again, but my husband just retired and we are just watching our p's and q's until we see where we land. Your article on mammograms steered me away as I was already just not feeling good about them! It lead me to a retired Pediatrician who is TOP of his field and is now a very busy Homeopathic MD who does Thermograms! His wife still practices and helps Autistic children detox. They are from Germany and litterally just genuine great human beings! I am VERY blessed to have found them and have you to thank for that!!! TRUE STORY!

Jan's avatar

I wow. I gained weight going off keto because my metabolism was so slow, my body said “Finally—food!” Plus my thyroid was damaged. Thinned bones. Crap sleep, anxiety. These low carb gurus are dangerous—especially the carnivore ones. I’m still pissed off st them but learned some real science—hand hits forehead noise here— duh.

Di Chez's avatar

We've ALL been there Janet! Anyone says they've never been had is full of shitaki mushrooms! 😆

Jan's avatar

You bet. I finally have a normal sense of real, healthy hunger. Actually at the beginning I was paleoish and ate plenty more balanced meals. I dropped processed food, including conventional bread and grains. I lost a lot of weight with more energy simply doing that. Should have stayed there. Lol.

Di Chez's avatar

If I had a dollar for every time I've lost weight then told myself the lie...I can have just these 2 donuts! 🤦‍♀️🙄😂 Dang donuts! Everything else I can say 'no thanks' to! 🤪

Jan's avatar

Yup, Di, what good you steal from your metabolism, ultimately finds you sooner or later in more than 1 way.

Di Chez's avatar

There should be 'donut pass' instances...js! 🤣 I've joked for YEARS I missed my calling of being a police officer because, I LOVE coffee and donuts more than any human on the planet! LOL!!! I came from a morbidly obese family and knew that would never be me if I had to duck tape my mouth shut! So far, other than being pregnant with a 10 lb 4.5 oz boy and taking 10mg of collagen powder every morning I've never weighed over 146 lbs and honestly like to stay around 120. Usually 126 is my average. I do wonder if yo yo dieting all those young years and barely eating now is good either?! I just know when I'm heavier everything hurts and I'm miserable! All these articles I read talk about take this and do that, but honestly I don't believe there's reversing anything. I do feel better eating healthy and staying active...do I feel a 180 change after that, being on supplements, and Ivermectin for two years plus...no. 1 I believe damage is done alot of times and 2 they are coming at us in so many directions it's impossible to feel like I did at even 40! I contracted H Pylori at 42-43...that what horrible. It took a long time to get a 100% rid of it. I suspect it's never a 100% gone and a good doctor friend told me bacterial infections are very hard on your joints and he wasn't kidding! It's been WAY over 10 years and I still walk like an 80 year old after sitting more than 30 minutes! It just takes a bit to get everything moving again. I've had many people tell me they contacted West Nile and feel like it ruined their life! I can honestly say that about H Pylori. Now add people shedding their nasty spike protein all over the rest of us and boom...there went any good we'd done! We get sprayed day in and day out here. I wish Substack allowed photos. It's DISGUSTING! We went and ran errands yesterday and if I'm out for more than an hour my sinuses feel like they are going to explode!!! I Neil Med rinse for sure after being out. I just know I'm exhausted from do this, do that...no this isn't actually good for you...so take this blah blah blah and reading every single ingredients list of everything I put in my mouth...KNOWING...they can lie about what's in it and get away with it. Kennedy or NO politician is our savior! If Red #40 (dyes) are SO bad...WHY give them FOUR years to remove it??? Why is there ZERO talk of removing HFCS??? If it kills me I KNOW others are having the same reaction! Unfortunately if change ever occurs we have the possibility of it going right back down the toilet every time there's an election! We thought Obummer Hussain was bad??? Here came Brandon saying..."Hold my beer!!!" We'll never get all the illegals GONE or undo the damage he did!!!

Richard Amerling, MD's avatar

As a nephrologist, I have expertise and experience with bone disease, as most patients with renal impairment suffer from bone issues. I was one of a handful of nephrologists who actually performed bone biopsies to elucidate bone pathology through non-decalcified histology. Allow me to offer some comments.

I agree that bone density is a very limited modality and doesn't inform about microarchitecture or bone strength. Bone density scores aren't corrected for body weight, which is a critical flaw. Light individuals need less skeletal mass than heavy individuals. DEXA scanning cannot distinguish between calcium in bone and calcium in adjacent arteries. QCT scanning is more accurate in this regard.

I also agree that the quality and quantity of matrix collagen, called osteoid, is of crucial importance. Osteoid is laid down by specialized cells (osteoblasts) in smooth sheets, called lamellae, and is subsequently mineralized by deposition of hydroxyapatite crystals. In hyperparathyroidism, bone formation is revved up and osteoid deposition is haphazard and all over the place (woven osteoid). When mineralized, this bone is weak and fracture-prone.

Activated vitamin D3 (1, 25 OH2 D3) is necessary for calcium absorption in the gut and bone mineralization, and D-deficiency produces soft bones, or rickets. However, getting the calcium delivered to bone depends on osteocalcin, which requires vitamin K2 for its activation. K2 also is a necessary cofactor for the production of matrix gla-protein, which blocks calcium deposition in soft tissues such as arteries.

Bisphosphonates are horrible drugs that poison bone and create fractures, but they do not force calcium into bone. They poison osteoclasts, which are specialized cells that absorb bone prior to new bone formation in a process known as remodeling. Constant remodeling is what keeps bones strong over time; blocking this produces brittle bones that break under normal stress.

Chronic acidosis can deplete minerals from the skeleton as buffers, but this is only seen in those with certain kidney disorders, such as distal renal tubular acidosis, or the acidosis of chronic kidney disease. It does not occur in normal people. In both scenarios, the kidney is unable to excrete the daily acid load (approximately 1 mEq/kg body weight/d). In these cases, bone loss is readily prevented by oral administration of 60-100 mEq of alkali daily, either sodium bicarbonate or sodium/potassium citrate.

Jan's avatar

Thank you. Covered some questions and the K2 issue. What do you know about the injection Prolia? I’ve read harms are similar to the first kinds, but sold as an immune treatment. I know better myself about any of these, but I would like to be able to warn others of my age (seniors). My sister’s jawbones were damaged by Boniva causing all sorts of problems and infections. Which really degraded her all over health. Cancer finally got her or the initial first Covid mRNA jab did.

Richard Amerling, MD's avatar

Prolia inhibits osteoclasts via different and much more expensive mechanism. Also weakens bone. Run away!

Jan's avatar

I would never use that but a friend of mine is sure it’s good. The doctor has assured her. 🙄🙄Yes expensive (about $800 twice a year not covered by insurance.).

Jim's avatar

A Brilliant Report.

I especially loved the section "The Woman Whose Body Was Smarter Than Her Doctor".

Aliss Terpstra's avatar

I don't believe bisphosphonates "drive" minerals anywhere, certainly not into bone. They just prevent osteoclasts from doing their job of removing old bone, so old minerals stay in place while the protein scaffolding disappears. With osteoclasts blocked, osteoblasts are not called forth to replace worn-out bone with fresh. Hence the crumbling. I believe that the reason for jawbone necrosis from taking bisphosphonates is because we are always chewing food, applying rhythmic pressure to jawbone via teeth, using muscles there, and thus stimulating constant bone turnover there - that the drug now prevents. If we cannot constantly refurbish the cells in the one bone structure in our bodies that is naturally under frequent pressure and motion, that structure will weaken first! And then teeth can't stay in place. I think we all should use a rebounder and resistance bands for the maintenance of skeletal integrity and gnaw on meaty rib bones for dental health.

Jan's avatar

Exactly what happens, Aliss. Thinking about a rebounder— not that expensive, actually. Can you recommend a brand? I would like one with something to hold on at first anyway.

Frances's avatar

I bought a rebounder with handle for under Au$100 and am satisfied with it. I also subscribe to Will Harlow of HT Physio on youtube for over 50's.

Jan's avatar
Mar 12Edited

Thank you, Frances. I have watched some of Will’s YouTubes. Will subscribe though. I’m taking a new exercise class for my age and it’s good to find out where I need some work.

Richard C. Skidmore's avatar

The collagen precursor for the body is vitamin C. Mega C intake— 3grams a day or more— in addition to the Vitamin D, is my prescription.

Lisa Landrus's avatar

We have had amazing results healing compound breaks even in folks with advanced osteoporosis using MK-7 from Natto (along with the usual line-up) it acts as a traffic cop directing calcium into the bone mass . My 89 year old granny healed as quick as a 50 year old according to her orthopedic surgeon who had inserted rods/plates and 16 screws to repair . Instead of the year long healing and 30% range of motion ….she had 6 week healing and 90% mobility

SAY THAT OUT LOUD !

Jan's avatar

That is awesome!! I have taken aMK- 7 with my D3 for quite a long time. I broke part of my upper joint area femur from a very hard fall onto my side. My pelvis was pristine. I had the prosthesis and by six weeks I was walking 2 miles unaided. I was 74. 78 and no problems since.

Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

You got it right! But low D accelerates the process. The matrix degrades from protein deficiency — specifically, from lack of the collagen and gelatin that form the scaffolding. Bone broth, made from simmering animal bones and cartilage, is essentially melted collagen.⁷ The gelatin it contains is the direct dietary precursor to the protein matrix of bone. A diet devoid of bone broth, gelatin, and adequate protein starves the scaffolding. The frame rots. Minerals have nothing solid to deposit on.

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

Strange enough I am reading The Body Electric by Robert Becker (I think you featured this book recently) and come upon a few pages where the researchers find, that copper seems to bind bones together (page 134-135) and wonder if this could be a solution for osteoporosis.

I remember that as a kid, hospital beds were made of copper, and I even saw copper beds in some old people's houses. At the time we were told copper wears off microbes. May be we should get back to the old stuff!

I wonder if anyone studied further on what DR. Becker discovered, but their research seems to have met with lots of neglect. And if true, it would heal! absolutely not what doctors and pharma want.

Leynia's avatar

How did people survive before the current bone broth craze?

Jan's avatar

I’m sure you are being sarcastic. 😊. They ate nose to tail. Ate meat and dairy not polluted by feeds and care. Weren’t influenced by low, no fat, no meat lies and despicable government, big food and big pharma propoganda and such. Moved their bodies more, gnawed on fatty bones and bone marrow.

Leynia's avatar

My point exactly about eating the parts of the animal (slow cooked for breaking down the cartilage) that creates bone broth. Who in the past cooked bones for 24 hours? Perhaps Dr. Braun will comment.

Janice's avatar

Raw Gouda and raw Brie cheese naturally take the calcium from the blood and deliver to the bones. Check out Dr. David Diamond

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

Many years ago my ex-mother in law got osteoporosis from calming meds. Her bones were so brittle, that when she touched a wall or cabinet, she would have broken bones.

Very interesting article. Long ago the doctor in Belgium told me osteoporosis does not exist (as a disease). Probably right, it is a deficiency. Just like most 'illnesses' I think.

I take some supplements, mostly herbal and homeopathic, but just like medicines. Not like '20 pills a day'

And as usual, do the opposite of what the doctors say.

Judy.  Electrifried's avatar

It seems the more we “follow the science” and “trust the experts”, the worse things become.

“Eighty years ago, soil contained approximately 80% more mineral content than it does today.”

Fluoride was added to our drinking water beginning about 70 years ago. Mercury and Aluminum were added to vaccines around the same time. Unbekoming did the math on aluminum in vaccines. Aluminum and fluoride are a nasty pair. Not only do they harm our brains, but they also harm our bones. 20-25% of drugs are Fluorinated, which also damage bones. Fluoroquinolones can cause tremendous toxicity and damage. Additionally, chemtrails disburse aluminum in the environment.

So, the mineral content in the soil and food has decreased, and the toxins in our environment have increased. Maybe we need to increase our mineral intake and flush the toxins. Maybe we need to eat real food and take fewer drugs. Maybe we also need to change the lighting in our living and working spaces.

Aluminum might be a primary culprit in weak bone structures. Silica might be the key to building the scaffolding. Silica is a core element necessary for collagen formation and bone mineralization. It strengthens connective tissue and supports structural integrity. Aluminum interferes with these processes. Unbekoming has articles on using Silica to flush aluminum.

The minerals Boron, Silica, Copper, and Lithium are critical for brain health and bone health as well as gut health.

Lithium is a mineral. Lithium carbonate is a drug. Not to be mixed up with lithium batteries…

Gut bacteria make B vitamins and Vitamin K as well as neurotransmitters. They build things with amino acids. They metabolize, regulate, and produce hormones. Glyphosate, GMO foods, and high fructose corn syrup (a pesticide) alter the gut microbiome, knocking out some amino acids and taking out needed minerals. What’s left for the bacteria to build with?

We’ve been warned to avoid the sun, and we spend most of our time indoors with artificial lighting from fluorescent and LED lighting, which lacks infrared and UV light. Artificial lighting affects hormones, which affect bone growth. It is best to use incandescent lighting as well as spending a reasonable amount of time enjoying the sun.

I like the part about dumping the critical husband. 😊

Silica

https://youtu.be/qbNxv_2NxqM?si=JpX1EH5zFTcH9hZc

Dr. Martin Moore-Ede

Lighting and health “The Light Doctor” Book, YouTube, and Circadian.com

https://www.youtube.com/@drmartinmoore-ede1539

Jan's avatar

I’ve never worn sunglasses nor do I use sunscreen. My ophthalmologist said at 78 I have hardly any sign of cataracts that would require the “fixes”. I spend a lot of time outdoors and on my feet.

Sandra Ganey's avatar

I like the analysis of the complex pathways for bone health. Be active, eat a wide variety of whole foods, get sunshine. However, when you consume bone broth or gelatin for the collagen, your body breaks collagen down into amino acids, just like any other protein. Eating collagen doesn’t necessarily give you more collagen, just like eating brains doesn’t give you more brain.

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Sandra Ganey's avatar

The primary amino acids in animal collagen are proline, glycine, hydroxyproline, lynsine and arginine. Soybeans have all of those and more. So do many beans, lentils etc. One plant food may not have all of the amino acids, but if you eat a wide variety of them you get all the amino acids you need. Collagen used to be called Jello. The collagen craze, a powder in plastic packaging, is just marketing and figuring out how to make money off slaughterhouse scrapings.