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Maggietee's avatar

Dear Unbecoming,

I am really amazed at the diversity of your topics and I have become an absolute fan of your posts.

Now I have a 13 year old cat that had a skin tumor which I managed to resolve with chlorine dioxide, DMSO and Montana yew tip oil.

Fergus, the cat is still very skinny and has fleas which I try to combat with frequent brushing. I make my own catfood to try to emulate anatural diet as far as it is possible. I came to the conclusion myself that a sick animal attracts parasites and therefore I refrained from using the chemical flea treatment as I was sure his current health status would not tolerate such an assault.

Thank you for all the great and very useful tips on how to combat fleas.

Janice's avatar

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Debra Nolasco's avatar

I've had an entirely different experience. Over the years, I've had (10) dogs & (3) cats. The majority of the time, it has been a multi-dog & multi-cat household, with the cats going in & out all day long. None of my animals ever had fleas until I took two of my dogs on a vacation to SC last spring. It was a rental house. The house itself was immaculate but the yard was very neglected & overgrown. There was debris under every tree & bush. Though the house was well-cared for, it apparently had a flea infestation problem which was not readily apparent. We were only there for a few days when both dogs started scratching. There were multiple flea treatment products under the kitchen sink, so that was a dead give-away as to an on-going problem. Anticipating that I might run into a problem somewhere along the way, I brought a few all-natural products with me, which did nothing to eliminate the fleas. Unfortunately, the dogs brought the fleas back home with us. I've never had a flea problem in our home & was quite distressed. Both dogs had multiple flea baths by a groomer, but I still was unable to eliminate them. Then I read an article from an integrative physician, whose substack I subscribe to, which was all about cloves. Turns out that cloves are anti-parasitic. I happened to have an all natural cleaning product at home called Thieves, the main ingredient of which is cloves. The other ingredients are: lemon peel, rosemary leaf oil, eucalyptus leaf oil, & cinnamon back oil. It comes as a concentrate which needs to be diluted. For more intense cleaning, you can double the concentration. Once I started washing my kitchen floor with Thieves at double the concentration, (the dogs were confined to the kitchen), I was finally able to eliminate any larvae & eggs. Here is the article that I read...https://open.substack.com/pub/medicalunderground/p/clove-the-wonder-spice-with-antiparasitic?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Rechtorious Riddlescue's avatar

Thieves also makes a good mouthwash and essential oil.

Debra Nolasco's avatar

I use their toothpaste & dental floss too!

Susie AH's avatar

Great essay and you’ve described my experience with fleas. Years ago I used these spot on products on my dogs and cats but I wasn’t happy with the neurotoxic possibilities so I stopped using them and in 20 years I’ve never had a flea problem. Very occasionally we find a tick in summer. Perhaps I’ve just been lucky but we only use natural remedies on our pets now even though we go to a vet for a diagnosis sometimes, but don’t use their pharmacological treatments. Our dogs are only fed a raw meat diet that is not only fit for human consumption but is so good we have cooked and eaten it ourselves on occasion. We don’t use chemical wormers either. We absolutely don’t feed carbs other than small amounts of vegetable so their teeth are in great condition. Like Maggietee above we use DMSO for most afflictions and they resolve quickly.

Heidi Ship's avatar

Excellent article. I had a little Westie named Addison, that had a stroke, and several grand-mal seizures a week after one application of Nexguard on the back of his neck. The four Vets I consulted all suggested I put him down. By the time they were finished treating him, he was bleeding from all of his orifices, was completely disabled. He couldn't stand, walk, had no bowel or bladder control, no reflexes left, was gasping for air....couldn't even swallow without help. But he continued wanting to eat, which I took as a sign that he wanted to live. So we stopped going to Vets, and started his rehab. Homemade Keto diet, probiotics, raw organ meats, seaweeds and algaes, herbs, homeopathy, electromagnetics, reflex therapies, CBD, ect. At first I had him in diapers, in an old playpen. Then wearing a life-jacket with a handle to learn to walk again. He never recovered completely, his gait was always floppy....but he was joyful and strong, and eventually he was able to do a ten klm hike with me in the woods. I finally lost him to a seizure, ten years after his injury, last year. We never used chemical flea control again. Just to add one more prevention strategy: a steam cleaner. This is the way to kill the flea eggs in the furniture, your bedding and throw rugs. I usually put Dr. Bonners Peppermint soap in it, but really just the heat is enough. Only has to be done once in the fall, and your house is flea free for the winter.

Loretta's avatar

You are a good momma.

eileen's avatar

My dog had a flea problem 2-3 years ago, lost half his fur and in a blood test had very mild anemia although all the other values were normal. He was put on a fresh diet, first commercial, then homemade recipes, first from a canine nutritionist then from a holistic vet with training in Chinese medicine. The only flea stuff I used were herbals and essential oils on a bandana with a spray along his back, sides and tail. The veterinarian's recipes were for the most part Paleo, so I used human food sold in higher end grocery stores because they had lower fat content, as he preferred gently cooked (sous vide style), where the fat could be scooped out.

His vegetables were organic as I ate them as well. So were the fruits. I started making my own bone broth, fermented vegetables and yogurt, first with VAT (low temperature pasteurization) milk, then low temperature pasteurized A2/A2 milk and now raw milk. He still has issues, but I don't think it's with fleas, but vaccinosis or heavy metals.

Over time he got better. Last summer, I combed his fur with black seed oil and he did not attract any fleas. I itch when there are too many fleas and I had no itchy spells at all. Now I have a grassy front yard so I will try the nematode approach.

I believe it is possible to get rid of flea issues with diet and herbals over the dog's fur without intervention from a vet, although it takes patience and a love of journaling (I have a closet full of journals). The purpose of journaling is to remember what you did and for how long and if you went to the vet, what the vet prescribed, the dog's reaction or whether you even administered the prescription. However, I also think the diet needs to be Paleo and raw if possible if the dog currently has a flea problem. To avoid GI issues, the food needs to be warmed to be tepid to touch before giving it to the dog. Some of these not so well dogs have a weaker spleen so food from the refrigerator straight to the dog's mouth can exacerbate these issues.

I also used Western herbs recommended by a canine herbalist, Rita Hogan, the author of The Herbal Dog. Her flea approach is more whole body as her philosophy of fixing the liver will enable for a very short term the use of flea and tick stuff from a conventional vet should you decide to go that route. She also has her own flea/tick recipes using things like apple cider vinegar, neem oil, witch hazel and essential oils. I think his problem from the very beginning was a mineral deficiency or imbalance and things cascaded from that. Kibble didn't help. It is possible that his problems now are heavy metal related from the kibble. He didn't start fresh food until he was 2.5 years old. He is now 6.

JustANobody's avatar

Black seed oil. Who knew? Cure for everything but death. I take a teaspoon daily. Thanks for the heads up.😊

Leon Schellekens's avatar

EDTA gets the heavy metals out but you have to be careful not to use to high doses to prevent kidney problems. But Fenbendazole is also very good against parasites. Unfortunately I didn't use it when one of our Yotkies had a flea overload. Maybe it might have helped him a little bit with his problems.

Leon Schellekens's avatar

Is absolute true. Every parasite problem is actually a health problem. It's almost the same with ticks, and I can speak from my own experience with our two Yorkies. One Yorkie had lots of fleas the other far more less. What we tried to get rid of them, using soda baths for example with both, fleadrops in the neck etc. the fleas remained. The one with the most fleas (sometimes 20 to 40) had other health issues as well. These issues increased in such a way that we decided to euthanise the 'sick' dog. The vet told us also our house would probably be infected by flea eggs. But now it comes. After we euthanized the dog, cleaned the house more intensely, the next day the flea problem that haunted us already for more than a year was completely gone. Our other Yorkie didn't have a single flea anymore and the flea problem was over (just after one day!)

Moral of the story is that weakened organisms attract more easily parasites because weakened organisms are an easy target for them. So in most cases parasites are not the cause, but the result of an underlying health problem.

All the Yorkies we had sofar we had adopted. The most more or less traumatized. The second one we adopted who reached the age of 17 years also collected more ticks than his first buddy as if ticks can taste the weakness of the dog. But injecting dogs with injectables to fight fleas or ticks is even worse than getting rid of them the natural way. These injectables are neurotoxins that not only paralyze them but also affect the neurologic system of the dog itself. But having our 4th and 5th Yorkie now our experience is not to vaccinate them (we actually never did) and trying not to use antiflea or antitick drugs anymore and look for a probable underlying disease first if the fleas can't be controlled in an other way.

Ticks on the other hand can often be removed easily and they often don't return if they don't get into contact with grass or shubbery for a while.

Yeowoman's avatar

I just dont agree.. My partner at 21 , super fit and outdoorsey, got 42 ticks embedded in his groin one night when we were camping. It was a nightmare !

If we are to consider someone like him to have been 'sick' and worthy of tick bites then just about every animal and human on earth would be worthy of the label. I see fit healthy strong people get bites all the time. Our GP running a marathon came back with a few .. just how healthy does one have to be to never het flea or tick bites ? Unvaxed animals and people get them too.

Leon Schellekens's avatar

I got ticks on my body as well but apparently in the case of our dogs there seemed to be a preference. But I agree, ticks seem to target humans more than fleas. Our Yorkies always sleep in our bed but the fleas always remained on the animals.

Sometimes one found us, but that were exceptions. It wasn't a healthy situation also not for us, but they already slept for more than 10 years in our bed and our dogs would get confused if we would break that tradition. But what the ticks is concerned, even when we walked in tick infested areas in Germany the tick distribution was always mainly the old Yorkie, then our younger one, and incidentally us. One morning our oldest one had 40 ticks, the younger one 15, and we had none. It took us a whole morning to remove them. That was pretty traumatic for the dogs and quite an experience for us. 😘

Yeowoman's avatar

So my partner was the equivalent of your older dog lolol . Oh my. This is all very confusing because many folks now think the ticks, fleas and parasites are all helping to keep us healthy. I posted a few articles about how sometimes in nature the animals with the most parasites remain healthiest .. It’s hugely complex I guess. Even tiny ticks can pass on spirochetes or whatever , so it’s important we find out if those additional bugs are helping or harming overall. A friend has had a huge research grant to look into this for over a decade .. I dont think results are clearcut yet . So many factors to consider !!

Leon Schellekens's avatar

Ha, ha, to be honest this was such a revelation for us too, as this is is not something you can do as a deliberate experiment. It just happened. We have our 4th and 5th Yorkie and it was the 3th Yorkie that had the tremendous problems with the fleas. But I think there are parasites and parasites, those which feed on weak organisms (like fungi that start to grow on sick trees) and those which just live on the blood or whatever of the organism they live on but with a certain preference for those with weaker constitutions. But parasites always need hosts on which they live on. But one parasite has more tendency to chose for weaker hosts than others I guess. But I agree, it's not always clear what the implications are of parasites but what this unwanted 'experiment' with our 3th dog proved that his sickness was clearly an invitation for the fleas to thrive on him. I still get the itch of that situation. He was replaced by another adopted Yorkie but he has had serious problems with internal Giarda parasite. But our 5th Yorkie has no problem at all with parasites. So building up a some experience with these problems. A wonderful medication for internal parasites is Fenbendazole (Panacur) and it's unbelievable how good this works. It can be bought prescription free and can save you a lot of money from the vet. 😘

jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

I found that spraying beneficial nematodes in the yard (available as a powder that is sprayed from a hose with a reservoir) did the best job of eliminating fleas from the outdoor areas. (I always imagined them as very very tiny toads....ha). It has to be applied on a schedule, as it works for some months. I also put brewers yeast on my dogs food daily.

A bit on the nematodes; entomopathogenic nematodes (e.g., Steinernema feltiae) seek out and infect flea larvae and pupae in soil, releasing bacteria that kill the host within 48 hours. These nematodes are safe for pets, people, and plants.

Also, you can try to attract birds, particularly species like swallows, martins, and chickens, which feed on adult fleas and larvae while foraging on the ground or in flight.

I would add, I got over Lyme disease last summer using only plant based protocol, from Buhner's Healing Lyme book. Plus, I felt stronger after, as the plants contribute to overall health. Rock on-

Gayle Wells's avatar

Wondering if there is a problem with some of the newer chips they are putting in dogs. I'm seeing a friends dog get sh what looks like electrical shocks now and then. I cannot see my type anymore on substack so hope you see this. Substack seems so suss now. I can't see any of my messages either. but hope people will chime in on what they are seeing.

Leon Schellekens's avatar

Vaccination (especially the mRNA platform) and the heavy metals and microplastics from chemtrails. Not only humans but also all the animals suffer from those heavy metals and microplastics that are sprayed in our atmosphere (that's not a conspiracy theory but a fact. Search for Dr. Ana Maria Milhacea on substack for lots of references on this field)

Graphite's avatar

I see you Gayle 🇨🇦😁

The Conservative's avatar

On my last dog I used Richards Organics flea and tick spray, it works wonders. Not only did it work but it smelled great. When I grabbed the spray bottle my dog would come running over ready for his treatment. I've used it on ticks that I found hanging on him and it kills them right away. I also spray it on the furniture and carpets at night before going to bed. I believe its main ingredient is cinnamon oil with peppermint oil in there as well.

Rechtorious Riddlescue's avatar

This the "terrain theory" of disease. It's why vaccines are generally a backwards approach - most diseases take hold because of weaknesses, fixing the nutrition or whatever is causing the weaknesses is the fix to disease. Same with plants; if they host pests they generally need better soil.

On this note, I have also heard anecdotally that pet cancer is highly correlated with vaccination.

STH's avatar

I live in deer tick country in the mountains and my dogs have never had one. Just my husband doing yard work. We use all natural Wondercide and it works well.

C.M. Cardinale's avatar

Thank you for mentioning this!

Madeleine Innocent's avatar

I try to teach that fleas are your canary in a coal mine. If your dog or cat has them, they have a weak immune system. Feed them their natural diet of raw meat and bones and the fleas have nothing to feed on. They appear to feed on the toxins released through the skin. Stop the toxins (including drugs and vaxxines) and they disappear on their own.

One of my patients applied a flea product to her dog. The dog shook himself and the flea product flew onto a cupboard door, whereupon the paint started to peel.

C.M. Cardinale's avatar

Madeleine, this is very helpful info. Thank you!

The Ministry of Herbs's avatar

It's the same for people and mosquitoes. When I was young and had a high toxic load I would get eaten alive

Henry Lahore's avatar

Wondering if Vitamin D would improve canine health. Vets fear giving to much vitamin D to dogs, the way human doctors used to fear giving large doses of Vitamin D. Experiments over decades have found that cofacors like Vitamin K2 and Magnesium greatly reduce toxic problems in humans. Apparently, there have been such canine experiments.

Yeowoman's avatar

Given that we come home with about a dozen ticks each time we go out .. I challenge anyone to come here with a dog and demonstrate they are too healthy to catch them !!

The important point I think is that people develop immunity to tick saliva over time and that effect seems to deter them , they just drop of and often die in the process. We have noticed that when people take a course of antibiotics they tend to lose that tick saliva effect.. and it takes a good long while to regain it.

fuzzi's avatar

I adopted my current dog from the shelter a few months ago. I was told he is heartworm positive, that he'll need to be on heartworn preventatives for the rest of his life. Any suggestions for something I could use on him instead of topical pharmaceutical, something more natural, less poisonous?

STH's avatar

Yes google Dogs Naturally Magazine they have articles on this very subject.