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Sixth Sense Consulting's avatar

I'm 73 and haven't been to a dentist in many years. I used to go once a year. I started refusing X-rays that served no purpose in the 90s, after I had spent years working at NASA as a radiographic technician and had witnessed older technicians who had obeyed the rules get leukemia and lymphomas as they aged. (My second husband died of Hodgkin's lymphoma, and he never got more than the 'safe' amount of radiation.) Weston Price's work was a revelation to me; his foundation is worth looking at online. I take his recommended supplement for fat soluble vitamins, a concentrated butter oil/fermented cod liver oil mixture. On taking it, I quickly realized I was somewhat night blind and hadn't known it. I still take it. I appreciate the work that went into this article; it's amazing. Makes me wish I could redo the orthodontic and dental work of the past, but what the heck. Speaking of orthodontics, a warning to folks: they say your teeth can't and won't go back to being crooked, but they are wrong. My Mom grew up in an orphanage during the Depression. She had a narrow jaw and crooked teeth, the hallmark of prenatal malnourishment. I also had that. Dentists commented on how small my mouth was. I had braces for four years. They straightened my teeth. It required four tooth extractions to make room. The teeth went back to what they were to a very great extent; the work was painful and to my eyes, worthless. They told me no way do the teeth revert. Well, mine did. So be cautious about believing what orthodontists say. I am going to give oil pulling a try. It has supposedly finally gotten some scientific backing, but Ayurveda has valued it for a thousand years or so, and that matters more to me than what any trial shows. I'd definitely recommend that to anyone who wants to improve dental health. Thank you for the work you are doing to show people that health can be attained more naturally and at less expense.

pimaCanyon's avatar

the "primitive" disciplines known as Ayurveda and Traditional Chinese Medicine know far more about health and healing than western medicine ever will!

Susie's avatar

Sixth - You're a great role model for the rest of us. I like the way you are open to new ideas and you take responsibility for your own health.

Good Job !!

Sixth Sense Consulting's avatar

Thanks, Susie. I never thought of myself as a role model. I am constantly learning and my perceptions change over time. But I love to share what works for me. I hope it helps others in their health journey. However, I am aware we are each unique, and what worked for me does not necessarily work for others. Yes, I have tried to take responsibility for my health, and I think that is the best thing I can suggest to folks. Whatever you do, don't be a victim or powerless.

Susie's avatar

Sixth - Some doctors take our money and push drugs, procedures, and long-term treatments. They are NOT trying to cure the patient.

I'm afraid of getting on that medical hamster wheel of no return, so I do a lot of things to prevent illness.

I'm always happy to meet others who are positive-minded and actively taking care of themselves like I am.

Sixth Sense Consulting's avatar

It's lovely to meet like-minded folks here!

Laura's avatar

Who would I look for? What kind of dentist to get full mouth implants?

I keep my tongue on the roof of my mouth which has a denture between my tongue and the roof of my mouth.

I only have four lower teeth. Not having a problem with my dentures, yet.

I'm wondering if I can get safe, healthy full mouth implants?

Where to start looking?

Thank you. Great article.

Susie's avatar

Laura - I would stay in the USA for treatment, not go to Mexico for lower priced dental implants.

A friend of mine had all his teeth pulled by a dentist in Mexico, then they couldn't install the dental implants.

They somehow lost the template or x-rays or whatever they needed to know the location of each implant.

So now he walks around wearing a blue face mask all the time to hide his face. He can't afford to go to a a new dentist here in the USA.

Sixth Sense Consulting's avatar

I'm sorry I have no experience with that subject, but I bet someone here does. Good luck!

misty's avatar

This is how i found my holistic dentist…maybe this will help? Has lots of other info, too! Good luck! ttps://iaomt.org/

217's avatar

Mostly all drs today

Leigh's avatar

Is there a link to Weston’s recommended supplement(s). This IS an incredible article. I understand that spike protein is horrible for the teeth.

For the past five years (last lab March 30, 2026) my antibodies for spike protein have consistently been at the level Quest Diagnostics caps it - 2500+.

Over the past year, I have had to have nine teeth pulled, multiple cavities filled, repeatedly, two crowns and a root canal. I asked my dentist what was causing all these problems - he said he did not know - that he’d never seen anything like it.

I have already had two temporary screws placed in prep for implants. Was supposed to go back for the permanent screws but my body just does not have it in it yet, to go through that (I was hospitalized first of April this year due to ferritin level of 4 & H&H were abnormally low.

They could not find a bleed or cause, after too many tests to list, including a spinal tap. Blamed it on the combo of ivermectin & Valtrex. (After the second Covid vax I had to many unimaginable symptoms, including horrific outbreaks - one right after another - of fever blisters all over my lips and surrounding face, IN my mouth and nose, ON my nose - I had no idea a person could get them these places - my PCP gave me massive amounts of Valtrex for one month then lowered the dose to 1000g daily for the rest of my life. She diagnosed me with Long Covid when the research clinics were just beginning to pop up. I told her I did not want research - I wanted my LIFE BACK.) When in hospital they did not give it to me and within SEVEN DAYS, the fever blisters began popping back up.

I worked in the medical profession my entire adult life. (I am 63. Social Securitry declared me disabled after review of my medical records that I never sent to them.)

I have NO FAITH in ANY HEALTHCARE INSTITUTION OR THOSE PHYSICIANS, after five years of this hell that NONE KNOW OR EVEN WANT TO KNOW, ANYTHING ABOUT.

After reading this amazing article - I’ve no doubt that this dentistry has created many more problems for me. I feel like the best option for me would be to just have the rest of my teeth pulled - - who do you trust to do that, properly? AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE MATERIAL FOR DENTURES - that was not supposed to be all caps!! 😊

Thank you so much for this article. I apologize for the rhetoric.

Laura's avatar

You might want to try a biological dentist to pull your teeth.

I have plastic dentures. I'm not sure if that's the correct material but they look plastic. I do wonder about what the teeth are made of and how they're grinding down and I'm swallowing it.

Probably get the best dentures with the safest tooth composite available. Something I'm going to look into when I need a new set.

I'm 60 so I figure I have 40 more years of dentures.

Having bad teeth can really be a detriment to your health. Having no teeth and no infection left where they were pulled or pockets where they were pulled. Has kept me healthier.

I had lots of fillings of different materials over the years. So I was glad when they were gone.

You have to weigh the pros and cons.

Rebecca W's avatar

RTHM has published a Long-Covid Guide for patients to take to their physicians based on the most current and ongoing research. Answers have emerged, and this is one resource that puts it together thoughtfully. I hope the guide or their site offers a jumping off point to navigating towards a better quality of life. Here's to health and healing - cheers! https://www.rthm.com/resources/blogs/long-covid-treatment-guide

Jo's avatar

Terrific resource. Thank you.

Sixth Sense Consulting's avatar

Weston A Price wrote a great book which you can probably buy a used copy of. The Weston A Price Foundation has a great website: https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/#gsc.tab=0. They have some very useful articles there.

Leigh's avatar

Thank you so much!

tecuani's avatar

This is such a great comment. Teeth most certainly do shift throughout life. I had a bad sinus infection at a time I couldn’t move around much. My upper palate became so narrow I couldn’t fit my tongue there. The weirdest experience one day was pushing it with my thumb and it moved and “clicked” back into place, to a wider spot. The lower palate becomes more narrow or wide based on the upper palate. Then we have Dr. Mew whose lifework is discussing the palettes and tongue posture who had his license taken away and made to seem like a quack. There’s so much knowledge everywhere that is feared to become public awareness.

zdb's avatar

Price's insights are invaluable. His organization has gone astray in a few ways. Weston Price cautioned frequently about use of liver oils. Grant Genereux reasoned out that the reason is vitamin A. Organ meats all concentrate vA. Rockefeller funded science on medicine AND nutrition is and was fraud all the way down. vA is a toxin not a nutrient. Please take a look at Grant's books and blog on topic. Please avoid organ meats and supplements. Especially fat based supplements. Thank you.

https://ggenereux.blog/2024/08/11/ten-year-update/

Sixth Sense Consulting's avatar

Price valued certain types of cod liver oil and said it worked synergistically with butter oil, thus the supplement recommended as vital in his opinion to replace the fat soluble vitamins our culture misses out on. However, his formula is more of a food rather than a supplement, which is what I go for. I am trying to get away from any supplement that is not food-based or naturally occurring. Price realized vitamin A can be toxic in high doses, and he did avoid some types of cod liver oil. I got great results from his formula and continue to use it. I wouldn't eat any organ meat that wasn't from a source I knew was not toxic. The liver can be a bad thing to eat, as you say, if it comes from a factory-farmed animal or a fish that is not living in a clean environment. I am very careful about eating liver, and I'm not fond of other organ meats, though my husband is English, and we have had the rare steak and kidney pie made from kidneys from a clean source. But I don't do a lot of organ meats. And I agree that laboratory supplements can be of questionable value, but it can be very challenging to find substitutes. I am doing shilajit now as a mineral source.

zdb's avatar

I found Physical Nutrition and Degeneration in 1993. Ate you described. All good until it was not. Liver and kidney are filter organs. Factory farmed is worse than better sourced livestock. Both are bad.

Suggest a look at what a growing group of us have learned. vA from liver is teratogenic. It does provide symptom relief as our liver stops dumping retinoids out of liver while it is tasked with pulling retinoids from blood and digestive tract into the liver.

Sooner or later, limits are reached. When that happens, it is best to catch subtle signals early. If unwilling to check out the website perhaps check out symptom list from users of accutane. I persevered well past subtle signals until isotretinoin induced sacroiliitis crippled me. Lucky in a way since it was a signal impossible to ignore. Two months of searching got me to Grant's blog and relief. Three plus years on, I am still improving. Finding symptoms from 33 years ago fading away with zero effort.

Price was right on about traditional food. Whoever wrote kosher food law probably saw what ingesting liver from livestock and fish does to people.

Best of luck.

Becky Hastings's avatar

It took me awhile to accept the reality that all organ meat from all sources is actually a source of toxins rather than a source of health. Many ‘health foods’ promoted over decades cause long term toxicity. It’s a huge challenge to our paradigms. Grant Generoux’s free books are of immense value. Dr Garrett Smith has taken the foundational understanding further through specific protocols to promote detox and healing in the Love Your Liver program. Thousands have been able to reverse decades of toxin accumulation and renewed health.

zdb's avatar

Spent a few years working with Garrett. He sold his soul with zeolite, msg and niacin. Did it partly to downplay the huge mistake and ongoing gap with calcium in his program. If you are on his program, please read everything you can from Tyler Ginter's posts. Hope Tipton was invaluable too.

Becky Hastings's avatar

I wholeheartedly agree. After decades of pursuing health information, and then reading Grant Generoux’s free books, I have come to the same conclusion. The WAP foundation, while offer a lot of helpful strategies, has become deeply invested in some adverse health practices, especially the promotion of high consumption of vitamin A by organ meats and oils and lots of eggs. Many WAP adherents do not achieve the robust health they proclaim.

It took me awhile to accept the reality that all organ meat from all sources is actually a source of toxins rather than a source of health. Many ‘health foods’ promoted over decades cause long term toxicity. It’s a huge challenge to our paradigms. Grant Generoux’s free books are of immense value. Dr Garrett Smith has taken the foundational understanding further through specific protocols to promote detox and healing in the Love Your Liver program. Thousands have been able to reverse decades of toxin accumulation and renewed health. I am personally experiencing many benefits from following the Love Your Liver program.

Sixth Sense Consulting's avatar

What most people fail to take into account is the 'background' in which they live energetically and physically and how totally different it is living now than it was even 100 years ago. Natural living means no cell phones, no wifi, no city tap water with its toxins, no processed food, eating locally grown foods that were organic, being outside a lot in the sun, not having electricity, etc. All the various 'natural' suggestions only make sense if they are applied to a body living a truly natural life. Which NONE of us are doing. The amount of toxins in the modern world is astounding. Avoiding 'natural' toxins won't make much difference if you carry a cell phone on you all day and sleep next to it at night. If you never go outside and eat processed food full of pesticides. 'Health foods' are fine if they come from a natural source/living condition. Livers from factory farmed animals are like swiss cheese, totally ruined and toxic because the animal lived a toxic life. But real, natural animals usually have clean livers, and if you eat clean liver on occasion like natural humans once did, there is nothing to fear. People should be much more afraid of what's being sprayed in the skies and what's in their tap water and the effects of electrification and manmade EMFs and infrasound from data centers and really big, pervasive toxins. And then there's the question of how that pervasive toxicity affects the human body even when it is given the best natural diet....

zdb's avatar

Yes and no. Kidneys and liver are filter organs. Their purpose is to remove toxins and to store them when they can not be excreted fast enough. There have been and probably always will be toxins in all species' environment. Man made and natural toxins.

Imagine the types and quantities of experience cultures had to have before leadership learned to avoid certain sources of food except in the most dire circumstance. Kosher food laws. Halal. Eskimos described for generations the psychoses inherent in folk who eat liver from their kills.

surfincece's avatar

I was recently made aware of clove oil pulling, and it’s fantastic.

Julie Stander's avatar

Is there a carrier oil and is the clove essential oil?

surfincece's avatar

I found a clove oil pulling rinse at Walgreen’s by Guru Nanda.

Steveo's avatar

Okay, but NASA? You mean the NASA faking moon landings, etc.?

Sixth Sense Consulting's avatar

Yes, that NASA. Why would that be strange?

Steveo's avatar

Did your 6th sense work when you worked for them? They put out some terrible fake videos but i have to says musks orbiting tesla was probably better.

Sixth Sense Consulting's avatar

NASA is way more than the glitzy stuff. Aviation research and development (a friend worked on making helicopters silent), research into aerospace materials, and so on. Those things are very real. I worked for NASA mostly in the 80s, and at that time, I had not yet stretched my belief system beyond what was visible reality. And at that time, it never occurred to me to question the narrative, though now, I certainly do. It's interesting how time can change your perspective. As in the movie "The Matrix", most people are not conscious enough to question the narratives or programs in their lives. And that is not a judgment, but it will certainly change your life to question the reason for the marginalization for things like psychic abilities when the government funds plenty of research into their use.

Steveo's avatar

I get that and we all wake up at different times. It's staggering how much we've been lied to. Even aviation. The whole plane, flying thing too. Planes actually use very little fuel. They say a planes wing holds 80,000 gallons of fuel in the wings because people realize how small the tanks are. That would be about the weight of 40 elephants sloshing around. I fly about once a month and the largest fuel truck I've seen fueling them holds 5,000 gallons and it goes from plane to plane. The engines use very little fuel. I've seen an account on SS that has very good break downs on how they actually work. I'll see if I can find it. They just charge outrageous fee's based on fuel prices even though it uses very little. Engines have even been depicted in hieroglyphics. Like they say there's nothing new under the sun! We're probably the dumbest civilization so far. The Hopi's and other native americans believe we are the 5th to be exterminated.

Ron.C's avatar

The most confounding thing I have found in 73 years of life without exception is getting to the truth about anything!

Donna Anne's avatar

Indeed. At 79 it's the same for me.

Paul's avatar

Two weeks ago, my wife was having excruciating tooth pain in an upper left tooth just in front of her molars. Long story short: a combination of chlorine dioxide, DMSO, and water swabbed on the gum line around the tooth gave her rapid relief… substantial reduction in pain within 6-8 hours, and continued application over the next few days wiped out that infection!

theodore Mainzer's avatar

Yes, and although this article is the best synopsis of the problem and the solution of diet, it doesn't address what we do with the continued bacterial toxic load that is present due to the root canals we have, the dead teeth in our mouths, the offgassing of composite fillings, etc. This is where chlorine dioxide and DMSO need to be introduced and further studied.

If you have a raging tooth ache due to internal toxic poisoning, internal drinking of chlorine dioxide will attack it, clean it out, and provide relief in 15 minutes. It's a miracle.

I lightly brush my teeth with it every night, to arrest any activity in my mouth before I go to bed. It's the topical solution.

To drive the chlorine dioxide deeper into the tooth, I add DMSO maybe once a week, to clear any bacterial buildup for the week. Dmso is a carrier amplifier that goes deeper after anything trying to hide in the teeth, like parasites.

I wish I had know all this article says years ago, and didn't have a mouth full of composite filling I paid thousands to replace the tons of amalgam I had removed. I wish I didn't have several crowns and a couple root canals. Im greatful I still have all my teeth, even though a couple of them are dead.

The chlorine dioxide and DMSO protocols have saved my life, literally, and I am able to keep bacteria formations, poisons, and parasites out of my teeth with regular use.

I don't go to the dentist anymore. I've never done an extraction, and I'm living proof you can restore your dental health with diet and proper microbiome in the mouth and teeth.

I've come to realize the health of your teeth is the litmus test for the health of the entire body. If the teeth are good, everything else is good too.

Thank you Weston Price for your seminal work, and thank you unbecoming for putting this article together.

Susie's avatar

Theodore - If you had to do it over again, what would you have replaced your amalgam silver fillings with instead of composite?

So far, I have had two silver fillings replaced with porcelain fillings. Still have two remaining silver fillings in my mouth.

My dentist says $1500 to replace them with porcelain so I haven't done it yet.

theodore Mainzer's avatar

I don't know. Is porcelain the best option nowadays? What are our choices? Do we have a better alternative?

Beth C Coddiwompler's avatar

Ask for biocompatible and metal-free dental solutions, including ceramic (zirconia) implants and porcelain crowns, by a biological dentist. They can be found on the iabdm.org or iaomt.org websites.

Susie's avatar

Beth - Thank you for the links. It's very helpful so we know where to start.

Susie's avatar

Thank God for the internet so we can research these types of things.

Dave's avatar

Weston Price is from Cleveland, OH. Lived, practiced & died there, & has very little recognition relating to the history of Cleveland?

Ellie's avatar

Hi, could you please share exactly how/what you do with the DMSO and chlorine dioxide /where to source? I would like to try.

Paul's avatar

We get our CDS components from CDSSupplies.com, and we get our DMSO from a local farm/ranch supply store (Atwood’s). For the tooth: 4 drops of Part A (sodium chlorite), 4 drops of Part B (hydrochloric acid), 4 drops of DMSO, and 4 drops of filtered water. Once it’s all together, use a cotton swap to apply it at the gum line around the tooth. We did it hourly.

theodore Mainzer's avatar

There are many resources online which discuss protocols for different ailments. Jim Humble, his story, and his leadership in the last 20 years has tons of information.

Then, there's Andreas Kalcker, who wrote the book “The Universal Antidote” which is seminal when it comes to chlorine dioxide. Amanda Vollmer is the DMSO source.

I can't tell you what to do, as I can't give medical advice, as I'm sure you know. My opinion, is that it truly is the miracle mineral solution as it is often called.

Go down the rabbit hole. You'll be glad you did.

Susie's avatar

I keep forgetting that we can combine chlorine dioxide and DMSO. Thank you for sharing your healing story.

None of my conventional dentists over the years have ever mentioned these treatments.

Paul's avatar

No money in it. We are going to discuss this with our local dentist. He's a great guy..... we want to see what he thinks about it, or if he's ever heard of it.

Horsea T.'s avatar

Boy, I sure wish I had known about DMSO years ago. Good for your wife in any case!

Susie's avatar

Dr. Amandha Vollmer in Canada sells DMSO on her website. I recently bought some of her eyedrops with DMSO and Vitamin C.

Happy with the eyedrops so far and have been following her for years.

Paul's avatar

We get our DMSO from a local farm/ranch supply store (Atwoods). Some of the best stuff is on the horse aisle! Not only DMSO, but you can get large quantities of MSM crystals there, too. Same stuff you pay MUCH more for when you get it on the human supplement aisle at the store.

Horsea T.'s avatar

Hi, Susie. Many thanks for that info on obtaining DMSO. Nice to hear that the eye drops are working.

Jhunter's avatar

Do you ever drink the DMSO or only use it topically? My brother uses baking soda and TSP as a mouthwash and his teeth are tighter and whiter… what are your thoughts? I will have to look up the chlorine dioxide. Personally I use essential oils like oregano and clove bud in coconut oil. I would like to have my 4 fillings taken out but using the “smart” technique ….yes around $1,500 a tooth. Thats too much for me. Also for detoxing you can investigate chelation which binds to heavy metals and your body will flush them out. For example sodium thiosulfate.

Paul's avatar

Yes, we do drink it.... usually 3-5 cc's in a glass of water or juice.

Julie Stander's avatar

I use a DMSO and hydrogen peroxide plus distilled water every night. I have an unfilled cavity in a tooth with a crown. A new crown after a cavity is filled costs 2000 USD. Sick of dentistry, I began using this mouthwash. A year later, still no pain from the tooth.

Here is the recipe: 1 part DMSO, 1 part 3% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and 2 parts distilled water. I’ve been able to buy 3% hydrogen peroxide that is also diluted with distilled water.

His Child's avatar

Would you share the measurements of the combination your wife used to treat her tooth pain?

Paul's avatar

Initially, from the testimony I found, we combined 10 drops of Part A, 10 drops of Part B, 10 drops of DMSO, and 10 drops of super-filtered water. The testimony said to swab it with a cotton swab “along the gum line of the tooth”, but my wife also applied it to the gum area. That irritated the gum, but we healed it fast with the CDS solution we normally drink (30ml in 1L of water). Not sure the mixture needs to be that strong, but after two or three times, we backed it down to 3 drops of Part A, Part B, and DMSO, but added 7 or 8 drops of water. She did that for several applications (the original testimony said to do it every hour. She did that for maybe 4-5 times, then just several times per day over the next few days.) She’s still good today!

George94's avatar

My theory is the pain is from acid contained in the tartar dissolving. Swishing with cold water can provide instant relief by cooling the area and dispersing the acid. Hard to say whether the pain would have gone away after 6 to 8 hours without the dmso.

pimaCanyon's avatar

wow! everything having to do with "health" in the developed world actually promotes disease instead of creating health. how did we stray so far from common sense?

zdb's avatar

Biographies on the Rockefeller family and their efforts on medicine, nutrition and all science help answer that question.

Riff Raffer's avatar

The almighty dollar is the goal, not health…

Horsea T.'s avatar

A very good question, pima! Does the entire human species have a gene for stupidity that kicks in no matter what our environment?

Susie's avatar

Just one look at how most people reacted to a fake virus and stood in line to receive shots of poison MRNA injections would tell us if mankind is stupid.

Horsea T.'s avatar

Heh heh. One fine cold winter day back during the Covid Scam I had to do some business at the bank. The teller talking to me noticed that my mask had slipped under my nose and she SCREAMED at me. I am not making this up. Guess she was having a bad day, huh. LOL (maybe).

Susie's avatar

I didn't wear masks during the plandemic.

The face-diapered manager at my Chase Bank mumbled under her mask that if I didn't put on a mask, she would call the police.

She actually demanded that I look like a bank robber. Wow!

I started educating her about the law - this bank was a public business with public accommodation. There were business hours shown on the front door, it's against the law to discriminate against a customer for what they are or are not wearing, etc.

I quickly closed my account and went to a local credit union instead.

Horsea T.'s avatar

Bravo. On the other hand, let us suppose that you had at least $10,000,000 in your account. No mask, no problem, I'll bet!!!

I do not know all the details, but the reality is, I hear, that banks can refuse to give you your money. Possession is 9/10th of the law etc.

Susie's avatar

Horsea - You're right. I think I had $100 in my Chase account at the time.

I'm leery of the banks holding my money.

I remember how Trudeau shut down all those Canadian's bank accounts if they supported the Trucker Freedom Convoy back in 2021.

https://medicalkidnap.com/2022/02/17/after-trudeau-freezes-protesters-bank-accounts-a-run-on-canadian-banks-shuts-down-services/

Angie's avatar

Genuine question. In what way are the vaccines a "poison?" And what is truly the issue with wearing masks? Why the fuss? Even if you know the virus is a hoax, you also know that most people during the pandemic considered it a gesture of consideration for others and particularly for already sick people. Couldn't you be content with your own personal knowledge but still seek to reassure others that you care about them since that is the perspective that they have? It's more important to be right then compassionate? You're that concerned that someone might think you're a sheep?

I'll bet there are plenty of ways you indulge herd mentality in your everyday life. We all do. It's unavoidable. That doesn't mean we lack confidence in our own personal beliefs and values. Does it?

Again, I wish to engage in good faith. I'm not being disingenuous, I honestly want to know your perspective and your answers. I'm not arguing that anyone should ever be vaccinated against their will and I never would. Masking, though, I just don't know why people feel such a strong compulsion to die on that hill. It seems like a small thing to me, a kind gesture if nothing else and nothing more than that. If people are fearful and you are contributing to that fear, does that matter to you? Or do you think other's fears are stupid and must be disregarded to prove to yourself that you cannot be controlled, which is how I see it? My personal observation only and not a condemnation of anyone.

You have to live with your decisions and many do. But do you ever think about the other perspective honestly? I'll consider yours if you can articulate it with being rude. If you can't engage my questions on the merits and just want to name call and feel superior, don't bother to answer. I will not be baited into a hostile argument. I really, really just want to know what you lose by masking.

Horsea T.'s avatar

1. Gesture of consideration for others? Why should they be fearful of unmasked persons if their own mask protects them from viruses? Genuine, sincere, heartfelt question which no one has yet answered intelligently.

2. Masks are both uncomfortable and unhealthy. They get moist and make proper breathing difficult. It is difficult to communicate as well when people can't see each other's face.

3. As someone, not me, once said: Imagine, if you will, that there's a 99.97% chance that you won't schit your pants but you're forced to wear diapers just in case.

Now, imagine that you must wear those diapers to prevent your neighbors from schitting their pants as well.

- 30 -

Susie's avatar

The first step was probably them selling the idea to us that the medical professionals were Gods. They knew everything and were to be trusted, similar to a Catholic priest.

And we know how that turned out! (I can say this because I grew up in the Catholic church)

pimaCanyon's avatar

My parents were that way, they were almost in awe of doctors. Never ever occurred to them to get a second opinion. That would have been sacrelige

Susie's avatar

My mother followed doctor's orders. She took so many pills that they caused mental confusion and dementia.

Sadly, for the last ten years of her life, she couldn't drive or work. Her husband had to help her clean house and cook.

Shortly before she died of sepsis, I visited her at their home and she thought I was the owner of their house.

I don't want to take any pills after seeing what happened to a capable woman who used to be able to do anything.

Horsea T.'s avatar

I am sorry to hear that sad story. My mother, too, loved doctors for any little thing, including sometimes uncomfortable emotions or even mildly difficult situations. She'd run for her pill bottle and in no time flat she was drooliing and grinning with happiness (of a sort). So she too like your mother got "dementia". God, how I hate that word. What is wrong with "senility", which is the word always used. I guess "dementia" sounds better in their Diagnostic Manual.

My diagnosis is my mother loved attention from "important" people. I think that she was somewhat neglected in childhood. Disagreements and conflicts were not permitted. Of 5 kids she was the least liked by her parents or so she told me + I just figured these things out. Every last one of those kids (my aunts & uncles) was emotionally messed up in my judgment.

Nice to hear you don't take pills. My dad was the same. He went to a Dr. once in his life, near death, when he got hauled off to the hospital. He refused to be cut open. So they don't know exactly why he died but apparently stomach problems and cancer run on his side of the family. We all have our stories, don't we.

It is a fallen world.

Susie's avatar

We're all brought up to believe certain things and trust authority figures. But some of us realize after awhile that that trust should be earned, not automatic.

It's good when we can grow and change our beliefs for the better, no matter the disfunction in our childhood.

Ron.C's avatar

As they say"Too soon old too late smart"

pimaCanyon's avatar

wow... that is so sad. my condolences.

Susie's avatar

Pima - Thank you.

Don's avatar

Prevention = lost patient = lost income.

So of course . . .

Susie's avatar

Cure = lost patient = lost income.

Susie's avatar

From this article: "The insurance codes do not pay for the diet conversation."

That says it all.

The dentists are just salesmen like all the other regular doctors.

Robyn S's avatar

I haven't been to the dentist in over 3 years now. I used to be so good and turn up every 6 months. But I just don't need to go any more. Since I realised I was Coeliac 10 years ago (and due to other allergies in our household we are now all gluten, dairy, soy & peanut-free), my teeth have become...pretty good! I've not had a cavity in over 7 years. I brush only once a day - with a relatively natural toothpaste with no fluoride. Plus I use Piksters to clean between my teeth as they're pretty close together. And yes, I didn't have enough room for my wisdom teeth in my late teens and so they were removed in the chair...but my diet as a kid was WAY worse than it is today!

Anyway, we drink bottled spring water, and are soon to be back on tank water, yay! No nasty town water for us. None of our kids (oldest is 13, they're all unvaccinated) have ever had cavities. I'm pretty sure they don't brush their teeth properly, either! And yes, we eat sugar, but I mostly use rapadura sugar in baked goods. But we eat plenty of veggies, whole meat, free range eggs etc. All home cooked meals. And we all take calcium supplements.

Hopefully we've got our kids on a better path than what we grew up with. So far, so good.

RAY FALCIOLA's avatar

In the olden days, at least in the olden days as I remember them we did not go to the dentist on any regular basis. Basically the dentist was an emergency thing so urgent that they probably either needed to put you down (because you begged for it your tooth ache was so bad) or they yanked the tooth. I figured it was because we were poor but it wasn’t really that. We were no where near as poor as we thought we were, it just was a mentality. Our parents were post world war II post great depression and many of them thought of themselves as poor because those were their formative years that stuck to them despite the objective reality of the present,

BUT, another and I suspect compelling reason was that our parents were raised before the era of “painless dentistry” and medicine and dentistry was (I am pretty sure) “out of pocket” because it was before “free healthcare” &/or work based health care that tries to SEEM free. In retrospect I’m not so sure that healthcare and dentistry wasn’t actually more affordable and cheap even though you paid out of pocket rather than flash a card to get fleeced anyway.

The main point though (I think) is the reason we did not routinely go to the dentist is because my father was terrified of them. Like I say, our parent’s era predated “painless dentistry” and I must say my own early experiences were pretty harrowing, I think I personally was at the dawn of painless dentistry and rain in to some dentists who had not gotten the memo. BOTTOM line is my memory is lots of people did not go to the dentist on a routine basis (at least my family never did), we only went when it was a dire emergency as-in, “shoot me or yank this thing our because the pain is killing me”. The pain the dentist was going to inflict was going to be less than the mortal pain of a DEFCON 6 tooth ache so in those circumstances we went to the dentist.

All that has changed. Now a visit to the dentist is pretty benign and if you are a bit skittish they’ll knock you out or whatever it takes. The result is the patient is probably over treated.

One thing I might add is that being lulled in to painless passive oral care and health care lulls us in to a false sense of “I don’t have too behave, I don’t have to work at anything because they have a fix for everything and it is pretty painless and free”. Then one day they are screwing spikes in to your jaw for a multi month/year journey to replace the teeth you never should have lost or they are sawing your chest open to try and repair the heart that never should have failed (at least not so young) ….

If only we had not believed in painless passive health management and may avoided sugar etc with a bit more discipline

Too late to rethink it once they are sawing your jaw apart to do tooth carpentry or sawing your chest open to do heart carpentry. At that point all we can do is think “perhaps I should have watched what I ate a bit more”

Laura's avatar

Hi Ray, I was self-employed my whole working life and couldn't afford health or dental insurance. I believe that saved me. Would only go if I absolutely had to which was not very often. I'm very healthy now at 60.

RAY FALCIOLA's avatar

I think that for the most part what you say is absolutely true. I think MANY people suffer from having "good insurance" and therefore are over medicated and over exploited. I personally have not experienced this (for the most part) because even though I've usually had what they call "good insurance" I'm old school (right or wrong) and tend not to go to doctors except for emergencies. In the case of emergencies I suppose "good insurance" is good but I've been lucky to avoid injury (for the most part) and haven't (yet, I hope never) had the major catastrophes like heart attack etc.

WHAT I HAVE SEEN however up close and personal is people who have had need for lots of doctoring because of chronic issues and I come away with to major unpleasant feelings

1. They almost categorically won't pay for the kind of functional medicine you probably need. You know, medicine that tries to cure you by looking at root cause and things like diabetic counseling etc (regular medicine will give you metformin and send you on your way)

2. If you have "good insurance" it sometimes feels like being shaking by the angles till all the payable codes and procedures have been harvested and then you're on your way. Perhaps with side effects from meds and things that were never needed,

Bottom line is I take you seriously when you say "I believe not having insurance saved me" because I don't really believe it has made medicine cheaper or better. In fact it creates perverse incentives where the system responds to the insurance you have not the illness you have. Also when you don't have the false security of "I have good insurance so if I get sick I'll just take a pill". That sort of thinking lulls us in to a trap. When you realize that the buck stops with you because YOU are the one who will suffer and no one else whether you are insured or not it makes you drop the passivity and get pro-active about your health. I'm sure we all know grandpa's who had major heart surgery and "he seemed to do OK" because all the drama is hidden and abstracted away so it doesn't seem so bad. But if we really had a heart to heart with that grandpa and knew what they actually endured while everything seemed fine they'd all say, "if I knew I could avoid this I would have".

At any rate good luck taking care of yourself. We can't be passive and hope there will be a magic pill to fix things when they go sideways

Laura's avatar

Very well said Ray. In total agreement.

I have a brother who won't leave the town he lives in. Because he doesn't want to leave his doctors. They have done nothing for his chronic back pain. He's had surgeries. He's on so many pills and he will pass before me.

He really doesn't take any steps to get healthier, number one starting with what he eats.

I've told him numerous times. Food is medicine.

And he mocks me, food's not medicine.

He outsources his responsibility to " The degreed" authorities.

I'm amazed at how people keep trusting the wrong thing. When there is evidence that show them, there's a better way. His comeback is oh that's just antidotal one person.

I've let go and give him Grace it's his life.

theodore Mainzer's avatar

Absolutely. Dentistry hasn't evilved one bit in over 100 years. It's still drill, fill, cap, crown, root canal, extract, implant. No moving towards solving the structural problem. I went all organic food 10 years ago, and finally quit drinking coffee almost 2 years ago. That's when my oral health really turned around. Coffee was just a vehicle for sugar consumption.

Since I've done everything I can to eliminate sugar, and I've stopped seeing the hygenist 4 times a year for teeth cleaning, and started using chlorine dioxide and DMSO instead of toothpaste, I've managed to stabilize and improve my oral health, even though I've got a month full of porcelain crowns and fillings. Even a root canal or two.

It's the best I can do with what I've got.

RAY FALCIOLA's avatar

Coffee used to be a carrier for cream and sugar for me. Then I stopped the milk/cream part because the doc said "no calcium with tetracycline". Down the road I was on a weight loss mission and stopped the sugar. Switching to black coffee one of the best things I ever did. Can't drink it any other way now. But I haven't been motivated to quit. What I noticed when I started drinking black coffee was the nerve-jangle I used to get DRAMATICALLY reduced simply by not spiking my blood sugar with sugared-coffee on top of morning cortisol on top of a blast of caffeine. Eliminating the sugar turned coffee from a white knuckle teeth grind experience to a pleasant morning ritual. AMAZING what stable blood sugar can do for your morning experience.

RAY FALCIOLA's avatar

I have a similar situation in my life. You can't promise a cure but you know their lives can be dramatically improved with a little less passivity. When they opt to do NOTHING and snap when you try to help all you can do is let it go.

Robyn S's avatar

Yes, fear of pain is certainly a good antidote for the dentist! I don't have dental injections anyway because I get weird, horrible reactions from them. So for me, any filling is old-school: sharp, cold pain...even more reason to watch my diet!!

I do not want my chest sawed open or anything screwed into my jaw. So I think about my future - and that of my children. I find it strange that so many people couldn't give a toss about their health. Humans are very odd.

RAY FALCIOLA's avatar

VERY late in the game (he died young in his early fifties) my father HAD to go to the dentist because he had a tooth that was literally crumbling away. Ironically he had no pain from it which for me was totally shocking because I had had a tooth ache from a similarly deteriorated tooth that was so painful that I chewed with my front teeth &/or the other side of my mouth for a year or two till FINALLY the pain was so bad they had no choice but to send me to the dentist. Teacher sent me home from school because I was probably white with pain and back in those days getting sent home from school for ANYTHING was not a moment for sympathy. Basically you had added yet another problem to your parent's day (with 8 kids there are lots of problems) and probably indirectly shamed them by getting a tooth ache that required an emergency visit to a dentist (as-in "why wasn't this taken care of already?".). DIFFERENT GENERATION. You did not go to doctors or dentists "just because". And realistically, we were probably as healthy or perhaps more healthy than kids now. At any rate my dad went to the dentist he had avoided for decades. I think he had been traumatized somewhere in his past by the pre pain free dental experience. When he came home he was almost giddy with elation because the thing that had terrified him all those years turned out to be painless and no big deal. After that he went of a binge dentistry fetish to make up for all those years he missed. Shows what a difference pain free dentistry would make.

On the other hand my mother was a stoic. Took her dentist trips "like a man" 😁 I have a suspicion having all those kids gave her a more nuanced relationship to pain than the men had. She did not want no Novocain no nada "because I don't like the way it feels". Probably nothing compared to giving birth to all us brats. Us men would have been happy to be hit in the head with a hammer as long as we did not have too face that drill. But our mom was stoic about it. "Just do it and be done with it. And no Novocain please".

Nothing puts the fear of god in you from your first experience with a dentist more than listening to the drill whine and your older brother groaning and moaning as the dentist says "just a little bit more and it will be over". I'm 13 listening to that in sheer terror because I had a nerve so raw that if my tongue touched it I went through the roof. I simply could not imagine what would happen when he attacked a tooth with a drill that I could not touch with my tongue. I had to ask the dentist for Novocain and honestly I'm not sure he knew how to use it because he seemed unsure. He seemed afraid of needles. BUT HE WAS CHEAP. If I ever encountered a quack that first dentist would have had to be the one. Bottom line is it makes you resolve to take care of your teeth because you NEVER want to be back in the dentist seat again. Now with "painless dentistry" that terror is gone and it can lull us in to thinking the price won't be high if we neglect ourselves.

Robyn S's avatar

I think we've all pretty much been lulled into thinking something is OK...until some of us finally woke up and realised it was NOT OK!

I had vaccines as a kid. Nowhere near as many as today's psycho number. But enough to stunt my growth looking back at my baby book! They moved me from the 75th percentile to the 10th percentile. Great, right?! Saving lives, right?! Then I had bad reactions to more vaccines in childhood. It wasn't until I felt I was living in a brain fog for 6 months after the Hep B ones IN MY LATE 20s that I finally woke up! NO more vaccines since then. None for hubby. None for our kids. And it took even longer for me to realise that dental injections were crap, too! I had to literally have a bad reaction, then a horrible reaction, for me to say 'Never again!'

I figured out not to have any more antibiotics before I figured out not to have any more dental injections!

You know, I'm pretty smart, but honestly, I think I'm totally dumb sometimes! We live IN our bodies, but for the most part, we are so unaware of what our bodies suffer in daily life!

But I think that explains most humans, really. Unless you have a bad reaction that you're totally aware of, I mean so scared by it that you never want to go through that again, well, most people will just take it. Over and over.

It's mind-boggling. How bad does something have to get for us to say "Hey, maybe that's not OK...?"

And when you can be lulled into a false sense of security by things being 'painless' or you 'go to sleep' or some other such thing, well, our fight or flight response is ignored, isn't it?!

RAY FALCIOLA's avatar

I come from the generation that was pretty much universally vax'd and it pretty much was never questioned. Of course we were not nearly stabbed to modern levels and things like autism were almost unheard of even though it was common for families to have litters of kids and many many cousins. Yet much of the chronic illness both physical and mental that we see now was not nearly so endemic. If you're from that generation you know intuitively SOMETHING IS WRONG because you can see the change over time. Particularly after 1986 when it became a vax free fire zone.

"Anti-vax" was so rare I can hardly recall it even coming up but if it did they were probably just benignly thought of as kooks who we did not know like fruitarians or something. (I do NOT use the term kook in a pejorative way, just mean it to denote fringe people, like your relative that decided to become a Hari Krishna person chanting at airports. Harmless but not exactly main stream)

Turns out the kooks were right. Older I get the more I realize A LOT of people who once seemed fringe were just way ahead of the curve,

One thing about COVID is if they wanted a master reset they sure got it from me when it comes to the vax issue. Went from "never gave it much thought" to "I don't think I want the mRNA poison but the other stuff is OK, ... isn't it" ... to almost militant anti vax. At this point I feel I have not done my duty to my nieces and nephews who will be having their own children if I don't advise them against allowing the state to inject their kids with poison for profit.

Once you are lied to once AND REALIZE IT it spurs you to find out just how continuously you have been lied to which for me culminated in the studies that show unvax'd kids are just plain healthier than the vax'd ones. COVID catalyzed the total deconstruction of a item of blind faith that I think MILLIONS have had all their lives, I suspect there are many who have gone 180 on the vaccines are good belief. It certainly turned ME around. It is sobering just how completely generations have been brain washed including myself.

Markker's avatar

I'm like you with my new thinking and I've a 12 wks old today, first grandchild. I couldn't persuade my daughter to not take the not safe and not effectives. I've passed on info which was ignored and caused a rift between us. I bought the Turtles book and it's there, unread still, on their bookshelf!

Horsea T.'s avatar

To Ray & Robyns S. What stories! Let's get these things out of our system. You done good.

"Humans are very odd." LOL!

Horsea T.'s avatar

My grandmother, who lived on the farm and had a sweet tooth and was pretty fat, went to the city to have all her teeth pulled. Her first time to a dentist if I am not mistaken. I was told that she refused any anesthetic, needles, painkillers, etc. She was against all that. No drugs for her.

Robyn S's avatar

I've only had 4 teeth pulled - my wisdom ones. When I was 19. In the chair. But I had 8 tiny needles for those 4 teeth! I can't imagine them being removed, let alone a mouth full of teeth, in whatever disrepair, with NO anaesthetic!

I still remember the oral surgeon's arms who did the pulling. Muscly. Hairy. So strong! He smelt of cigarette smoke, too. Don't remember his face, but I sure remember how much force was required to remove my teeth!!! Mind you, they were pretty solidly in there. I'd say that would've made them A LOT harder to pull out! Perhaps your grandmother's teeth were half falling out? But still, having that done to ALL her teeth, with NO pain killers whatsoever is, well, absolutely astonishing!! Your grandmother must have been a VERY brave woman!

Put it this way. I never want another tooth pulled in my life!

Susie's avatar

Robyn - It sounds like you've raised your children in a healthy fashion. And now the rest of their lives will be better because of this.

I'll look up rapadura sugar. Sounds interesting. Thanks for mentioning it.

Markker's avatar

So, your unvaccinated children have the same allergies as the parent(s)? My non-allergic friend has 2 daughters that have allergies. They are vaccinated, as the parents but to a much lesser degree as today. Their father was diagnosed celiac when the 2 daughters' problems came to light. One daughter has 2 girls who both have the same allergies. They too, are both vaccinated. Their mother blames my friend as she bottle fed due to not making much milk herself, and this daughter only breast fed herself. I've read the foreign proteins in vaccinations causes allergies. However, from reading what you wrote, these allergies can be passed on down the line, so there's no end to it.

Robyn S's avatar

Yes, vaccination causes a lot of problems. They're poisons through and through. And indeed it seems like they are STILL causing issues, and worse issues, in continuing generations, even without those children having any vaccines. My last vaccine was 5 years before I was pregnant with my first. But I did have a dental injection at 3 months pregnant (I trusted my dentist! What a fool!) - and got a migraine the next day! Who knows if that affected my firstborn? She's ASD. And has allergies. But my Mum is also ASD. They're VERY similar personalities! And my Mum (& sister) has terrible hayfever, bumpy skin and gets some eczema in her old age now, too. None of that for my firstborn, and no eczema now that the diet is right.

Basically, each kid of mine seems better the longer ago I had a vaccine! Perhaps it takes a while for the poisonous jabs to 'dissipate' from my system...? I've tried NAC, EDTA, Fiji water (the silicic acid in it helps to rid the brain of Aluminium - read up on Dr Christopher Exley 'Mr Aluminium' for more info) over the years, plus I've changed my diet. My new son is SUPER strong, also rolling over at 2 months of age, intentionally, and just SO alert. It's been over 18 years since my last vaccine! BUT - how will my grandkids go? So long as none of my kids have jabs in their life - and the older ones are SO against them already (yay! They listened to SOMETHING I've said at least!) - then maybe if they mate with someone else similarly unjabbed, their kids might be...better? I guess I will find out in time. Watch this space...

However, in my case, I got my dairy problems from my father's side and the gluten problems from my mother's side! Lucky me, eh?! I've done a fair bit of digging into family history to figure this out! Also, in academic circles, Coeliac Disease is known as "The Great Imitator" and can mimic ANYTHING, so it can be hard to pin down. Was my great aunt with her terrible osteoporisis coeliac? Was my mother? She also can't have gluten now (occurred one year after the covid jabs...funny, right?!). Were the fertility issues related to gluten for a couple of the women in there? Were the suicides in the distant family related to gluten? Who knows. Any which way, vaccines have NOT helped. Plus I grew up on a main road with leaded petrol galore being breathed in, my Dad was in the Navy so who knows what he was exposed to before he impregnated my mother, my childhood was very stressful and I wasn't eating right until my 30s! Take your pick of poisons! I'm pretty sure in my case it wasn't JUST the vaccines. Plus ALL FOUR grandparents were smoking and drinking before, during and after conception. So I'm sure what I inherited was not exactly 'clean' or undamaged...

In your friend's case, vaccines might've been the greater part of the poison, not so much the breastmilk vs bottle feeding? As they say, breast is best - but not always. If you're jabbed, breastfeeding is probably a stupid idea! All my kids are breastfed, and they've grown brilliantly, but my first two had horrible eczema - until I got my diet right! Even my youngest, who's a very similar age to your new grandchild, has some facial eczema. I'm trying so hard to eat the right things, avoid being contaminated by the breastmilk (dairy allergy + issues with lactose = not good to accidentally ingest traces of that for me!) and not be stressed! So I don't think there's a perfect solution. But yeah, being covid jabbed is not cool. Over my dead body would I have a covid jab or let my kids have one! The poisons transfer to the baby via the breastmilk, and in about 1/4 to 1/3 of pregnancies to jabbed women, the kids will have immune failure (I read that as childhood cancer and/or autoimmune disorders). So the future is not looking good. Especially for those who had the jabs, or those born to parent/s who had the jab. Even if the mother didn't have the jab, but the father did, well, those poisons end up in the woman's pelvic cavity during sex, and can spread everywhere from there. So she gets 'jabbed' by her contaminated husband nonetheless. Charming, right?! :-(

We're living in a psycho world right now :-(

FollowsTheWay's avatar

> Before any composite is placed, request the material safety data sheet listing the ingredients.

Is there not a "safe" (or the "safest") composite that could be asked for by name?

Valued Customer's avatar

Porcelain, gold, and actual silver (not 'silver' amalgam which is actually mercury), are all quite inert chemically. Of the lot of things that can be used to fill cavities, the mercury is probably the worst, being unbelievably toxic. Composites may better match tooth color, but are unlikely to be well characterized by regulators that allow GRAS (generally recognized as safe) to be a category. IMHO, Xylitol gum has been reported to promote our own bodies to heal infections, such as caries that causes cavities, and since we have evolved in a state of nature and required teeth to be able to breed successfully, it seems logical that we would have evolved mechanisms to repair damage to our teeth.

I have been abused by the allopathic medical and dental industries from my early youth, and have only recently begun to actually give rational thought to these matters, and the more I consider these issues, the more I become certain that most of the medical and dental 'treatment' we receive, the more profitable we become to the medical and dental industries. Maybe I can save some of my teeth after a lifetime of being abused, but maybe saving my mercury loaded teeth isn't actually what I should try to do, because getting that mercury out of my head is probably the best thing I could do for my health. Missing a few teeth already, I have tried using a 'flipper' device and found it impossible to tolerate, so don't think dentures are going to work for me.

Too bad stem cells can't yet be used to spawn new teeth. Pretty sure that's the right fix for what ails me.

Karen Tylicki's avatar

Also fluoride body accumulation absorption over time was not part of the study and how it affected elderly populations in bones and cataract formation.

Horsea T.'s avatar

The greatest barbarity of them all: total permanent tooth replacement, not necessarily because your mouth is one big rotten mess, but, rather, because you don't look like a much-enhanced movie star. This multi-thousand-dollar procedure is growing alarmingly.

I have a son with some crooked teeth. He eventually developed symptoms of gum disease. I read that Dr Abram Hoffer had the same issue; he believed that malocclusion was the cause. He did Vitamin C, good diet, etc (I'm talking about Hoffer here). Still, the gum disease remained. He decided he'd have all his teeth pulled. But first: he then just by happenstance took Niacin, not for his gum disease, but because he was prescribing it for people with mental illness and thought he should try and understand how it affected them by taking it himself.

Conclusion: the gum disease went away. In the case of my son - so far, much improvement. It's hard to get young males to take anything "for their own good" so how he figured this out I do not know. FWIW.

Susie's avatar

A few years ago, I went to a holistic dentist for the first time. Before he did my exam, he had me stand up and he checked my jaw and skeleton posture. He asked me about my diet and lifestyle.

Then he retired.

I was so sad.

Elusive1's avatar

Similar here. When i moved from a different state, I looked for and found a similar one. As a new patient, gave 0 to a few x-rays (I forgot already). Was very up on alternatuve medicine. We'd share stuff for as long as I was there. Lol

He was getting to the end of his career, then gone. He sold his practice to a huge one. I did not sign on with them. I dont like assembly-line dentistry or other for that matter. Still looking .... :/

Elias Lumen's avatar

And just like our modern medical system, dentistry is full of lies.

It seems 100 years ago we all got screwed on multiple fronts. Medicine, dentistry, education, finances and so much more.

Carol S. Kopf's avatar

Americans are fluoride overdosed and dentist deficient. Most dentists refuse to accept Medicaid and the American Dental Association successfully lobbied to have dental excluded from Medicare. Dental care is a luxury in the US. Tens of millions can't afford or access affordable dental care. But dentists advertise their services to cover up fluoride damaged teeth, that they caused, as these advertisements attest to http://tinyurl.com/DentalFluorosisBeforeAfter Organized dentistry also opposes legalizing Dental Therapists who are well-trained to go into areas and mouths that dentists now refuse to go into. Organized dentistry protects its lucrative monopoly first and foremost and get a lot of money from corporations to buy legislators.

Horsea T.'s avatar

Thanks, Carol. (Can't do upvoting on my ol' computer.)

RAY FALCIOLA's avatar

So many highlight worthy things in this article. Well worth a re-read.

I was particularly fascinated about the idea that sugar reverses the flow in teeth. The notion that when things are right the flow is from inside the tooth outward pushing the nasty gunk out and keeping the tooth healthy rather than the reverse where the tooth is sucking the nastiness inward.

Sugar appears to be able to reverse that flow. Very interesting idea. What was most fascinating about that (to me) was the idea that the mere presence of surface sugar was not the primary evil we all assume to be true so much as sugar's (presumed) metabolic impact is the evil. IE, they the same tooth-damaging effects occur by injecting sugar in to the stomach TOTALLY BIPASSING THE MOUTH and presumably eliminating the sugar-induced acidification of the mouth and yet the teeth still rotted as if they were eating sugar directly.

Which makes me think, it's not the sugar-induced acid that is the problem (or at least not the ONLY) problem as it is the metabolic bio chemical and hormonal changes sugar causes that is the problem.

Which brings me to a unifying principle. For a long time reading the keto evangelists and the diabetes prevention evangelists the one thing that seems to emerge from that is

Get your metabolism right and most problems tend to go away and solve themselves.

The keto people and the weight loss people and the diabetes people all seem to talk about how (with exceptions of course) if you get your metabolism right hi blood pressure tends to resolve, heart disease risk drops, cancer risks drops, you lose weight etc etc etc

And now after reading this perhaps getting your metabolism right may even fix/improve your oral health issues. Issues that may have persisted DESPITE meticulous oral health habits such as tooth brushing etc. If the system is out of whack you probably can't fix it by surface protocols alone such as brushing your teeth etc.

This of course is not totally true but the general principle seems to be a good way to look at managing your health. Aim to get your metabolism optimized (IE your blood sugar) and you find lots of other things resolve. I suspect this is true in the case of teeth also since they found that sugar in the stomach was enough to damage oral health even though the mouth was not exposed to sugar and presumably that would eliminate sugar acidification. However, sugar in the stomach could cause all the negative metabolic things that a high carb diet would be expected to cause. High blood insulin and sugar etc.

theodore Mainzer's avatar

Yes Ray, I think you're right on track. I've come to realize all disease is man made toxicity, and all returns to homeostasis, a balanced and properly inhabited microbiome, and minimum toxuc load, has to do with imputs and the bodies ability to deal with one's toxic load.

Reduce toxic inputs, and disease goes away. Sometimes we need to help the reduction in toxcicity by removing amalgam from your mouth, for example. No vaccines, minimum exposure to chemtrails, glyphosate in the food, heavy metals, microplastics, hydrogenated oils, high fructose corn syrup, synthetic polymer hydrogels introduced with lipid nanoparticles, graphene oxides, formaldehyde, monosodium glutamate, are all toxic inputs. too much exposure to emf frequently is also toxic.

We can't get away from it, but we can mitigate it.

Susie's avatar

I want to "mitigate it" by moving to a beautiful countryside away from all the toxic air and land, and cell towers.

RAY FALCIOLA's avatar

“mitigation” sounds wonderful. Going to have too move faaar away to escape it all. But it’s a worthy goal

Berta Nelson's avatar

You got it, Ray! Sugar in the metabolism does more than reverse flow to the teeth. Because if it does that, it must have other effects as well. Getting our bodily functions in "gear" by what we ingest physically with food, mentally with thoughts/information, emotionally with what we "make things mean, especially "personally" can produce wellness.

Laura's avatar

I went keto and my teeth got much better. Everything got better. Just don't overload on oxalates.

RAY FALCIOLA's avatar

Balance is the name of the game. Finding one's individual balance is where the art of it meets the science of it.

Sooooo many variables. Utterly fascinating how the "your mileage may vary" reality of making change is impacted by the biome both intestinal, oral and other parts of our body. We coexist in a state of symbiosis (hopefully) with all these bugs and we hope the mix stays optimally stable so we benefit as do the harmless bugs benefit while the bad ones are pushed to the margin.

When you hear about fecal transplants and how they can make fat mice skinny and skinny mice fat by injecting the skinny biome in to the fat rat or injecting the fat biome in to the skinny rat ... well, the idea that our biome adds another layer to everything we do just complicates the hell out of things. Because we not only are trying to get our diet "keto enough" (or whatever) we are trying to get our biome keto adapted enough (or whatever) to get the full expected (hoped for) outcome.

We are trying to turn one or two big dials (diet and exercise for example, and maybe even getting toxic people out of our lives if we need SERIOUS change) to get results that are layered on top of a whole host of variables such as the 1000-1500 bugs in our biome that itself is changing as we turn the big dials of diet and exercise that feed them. For some people "it all just seems to work" without working at it too hard. But for most of us we have too pay attention and keep tweaking.

Laura's avatar

Ray, when I heard about the fecal transplants I so wanted to get one. But it was just in the research stage.

So when keto came out I tried it. And you're right, we have to modify and figure out what works for oneself.

So I'm not strict anything but I know what to eat to make me feel good and healthy.

I live by the 80-20 rule. 80% of the time I eat what works for me and it's very tasty. I've learned to cook.

20% of the time if I go out to eat. Yeah maybe I'll have a hamburger with a bun or some pasta. I'm there for the company not the crappy restaurant food. 🙂

M J Kelly's avatar

I wish I had learned about this at the beginning of my medical career. Better late than never.

bb Comet's avatar

When I went to the dentist (in the USA) for the first time in my life at age 30, the dentist said “you don’t eat a lot of sugar or drink soda, do you?” Why was I there? My First Cleaning! And it turns out I had a cavity.

I sensed that. For a few weeks I had binged on tamarind balls, a treat from my childhood that gives the teeth two things the enamel hates: sugar and a lot of sour…all at once. First and only cavity came from that. Just after a few weeks. Imagine a life filled with what they call food in America. If Coca Cola can remove rust, couldn’t it remove enamel.

theodore Mainzer's avatar

Two billion cans of soda are consumed every single day on planet earth. We might have a systemic problem with sugar consumption? Read ingredients on ANY food you buy. Everything has sugar in it these days.

George94's avatar

They did a experiment in school where they put a tooth in a glass of cola overnight. When we came back the next day the tooth had disappeared. I suppose they could have been trying to teach us not to trust "the science". Coke is acidic but not enough to blame sugar for melting a tooth overnight.